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Old 08-29-2011, 03:02 PM
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Default Toyo T1R vs Kumho Ecsta XS. Need recommendation.

OK, so I bought the BBS RS wheels from GeorgeK , and I'm looking for a recommendation for tires in 16 inch.

Keep in minid that I would like to dial out some understeer without spending a bunch of money on suspension.

Option #1: Kumho Ecsta KS 225/50-16 and 265/45-16


Pros: Stiff sidewall, aggressive tread pattern that would suffice for an occasional auto-x, low UTQG that probably wouldn't screech when pushed??

Cons: Probably won't, but is closer to rubbing than the other option.

Option #2: Toyo T1R 225/50-16 and 245/45-16


Pros: Better wet weather tread, has a semi-solid shoulder that might not chunk too badly for aggressive driving, slightly shorter tire for a little gearing effect, probably the best solution to my understeer concerns without changing suspension

Cons: Not sold by Tire Rack, f:r diameters are a little off, might complain when pushed on the street. I really don't like attracting attention when I generate a little bit of slip angle on fun roundabouts and entrance ramps.


Does anybody have experience with this model Toyo? Normally I would just order the Kumho as I love their R compounds, but I'm intrigued by dialing out some more understeer . . .
Old 08-29-2011, 03:05 PM
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Oh, important point . . . the wheels are 7.5" and 9", so theoretically I shouldn't go less narrow than a 245 in the back per the mfr specifications.
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I have been using T1R's for a number of years, a set as my DD tires (on 17" rims) and as my DE tires (on 16"). My overall impressions are that they are a great tires, dry and especially WET, even on the track!

For the 16's, I use the 205 fronts and 225 rears, which are the mfgr sizes.
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Any reason why you aren't also considering the Dunlop Star Specs and Hankook RS3s?
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Originally Posted by Vandit
Any reason why you aren't also considering the Dunlop Star Specs and Hankook RS3s?
I'd love RS-3s, but the 225/50ZR16 can only be mounted on an 8" width rim max. I might push it on my cheap-ole Miata, but I don't want to put the RSA into a guardrail or tree.

AHA! The Dunlop Star Specs are 225 width, but listed up to 9" wheel width! Interesting, and a new alternative - and cheap! Thank you!!!! I have a set on the Miata now and actually like them. I'll probably stick with these.
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I see what you're saying now, and yea, 225 on the rear is a bit anemic. I'd probably go w/ the XS in the sizing you listed in your original post.

Ever consider moving to 17"s? 16" options sure are limited.
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I've run Kumho V700's and Hoosier A6's in 225/245 sizes on 16" Cup 1's (7"/8" widths) with no issues other than rubbing on the inside wheel well at full steering lock.
Today I run AD08's in 205/225 on the same wheels. I no longer use "R" tires because I run in a SCCA Street Tire class....as you get older you don't feel like hauling and changing wheels at events.
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Originally Posted by Earlydays
....as you get older you don't feel like hauling and changing wheels at events.
I'd even go a far as saying "in this heat, NOBODY likes hauling and changing wheels at events." I quit autocrossing until a buddy bought a gutted trailer queen FD rx-7 . . . so much nicer.

And, yes, I already have three sets of 17" wheels, but still love the BBS RS enough to buy. Anybody need to buy turbo twists?



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