Who has the coolest wheels/ride height on their 964?
11-22-2015, 02:08 PM
#482
Drifting
"Although all the young guys that buy these want to slam them to the ground which IMO is the biggest mistake you can make. "
Not sure why there is so much 964 v 993 talk in the 964 threads - don't see it as much in the 993 boards. I like them both - heck I am a fan of all air cooled 911's. They all have their special, unique traits. But I do agree with this statement from Cobalt. It seems not many even in the 964 community appreciate that car for what it is and how it was designed. They are all being slammed and modded. You never see original examples. If there is so much love for them, why do they need to be modded to be loved? It seems very much the fad car these days. I always liked the car - even back in the day when the 964 wasn't loved by many. Anyway, just my humble opinion - no disrespect intended.
Not sure why there is so much 964 v 993 talk in the 964 threads - don't see it as much in the 993 boards. I like them both - heck I am a fan of all air cooled 911's. They all have their special, unique traits. But I do agree with this statement from Cobalt. It seems not many even in the 964 community appreciate that car for what it is and how it was designed. They are all being slammed and modded. You never see original examples. If there is so much love for them, why do they need to be modded to be loved? It seems very much the fad car these days. I always liked the car - even back in the day when the 964 wasn't loved by many. Anyway, just my humble opinion - no disrespect intended.
11-22-2015, 02:57 PM
#483
^true. But bear in mind that the slammed 964s are often the most publicized leading many to believe that many are being slammed but in a lot of the cases it's just the same car in a different color. Concerning 993s, the reason why they aren't modded all the time can also be as a result of them being difficult to mod. The 964 and previous years are often modded, whether it be a backdate or just some cool touches. They are easy to mod. The same goes with Land Rover Defenders. They have been making the same body since the 80s and so modding and parts are plentiful. The newer newer model year Porsches experience changes in body styles much more often and so modding is often an expensive and difficult thing to do. IMO slamming a car is not too much of a mod. 
expensive ish body panel changes 
expensive ish body panel changes
11-22-2015, 03:20 PM
#484
Drifting
^ great point about being easier to mod - I get that. I will say however that it is more of a reality than just perception. Living in SoCal we have more Porsches on the road than anywhere and I never see stock 964's. This years OC PCA concours had literally zero 964's in it. And I agree that lowering isn't a significant mod (both of my cars are lowered to euro specs) but that is different than slamming them to the point it negatively impacts performance. I was more talking about them being prime choices for singerizing (not just the real deal) or RWB or other more extreme mods. Again, I love the car (trying to add one to my garage as we speak) it is just an interesting trend that has emerged over the past couple years. And I love the lines of the car as it was designed by Porsche (just lowered a bit).
11-22-2015, 04:12 PM
#485
^oh I see what you mean! You've got a good point there. 
some extra info:There are 993 RWBejeezus' out there. Also, a fun fact not many people know is that Singers were originally to be based upon impact bumper cars but in the middle of development they saw the 964 as a cheaper alternative in terms of adding modern touches such as ABS and that pop up spoiler.
Read this: it'll make 964 owners feel all warm and fuzzy http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-96...ver-1559074275
Also: In case the above comments sounded kind of sarcastic, I didn't mean to.
some extra info:There are 993 RWBejeezus' out there. Also, a fun fact not many people know is that Singers were originally to be based upon impact bumper cars but in the middle of development they saw the 964 as a cheaper alternative in terms of adding modern touches such as ABS and that pop up spoiler. Read this: it'll make 964 owners feel all warm and fuzzy http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-96...ver-1559074275
Also: In case the above comments sounded kind of sarcastic, I didn't mean to.
11-22-2015, 04:46 PM
#486
Burning Brakes
Read this: it'll make 964 owners feel all warm and fuzzy http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-96...ver-1559074275
"one thing any Porsche-phile will tell you is to stay away from the 1990 Carrera 4, I'll have to eat some of my own words on this but this is the only time where being primative isn't a good thing"
Sorry not feeling the warm and fuzzies.
11-22-2015, 05:09 PM
#487
If the 993 values had dipped to the values that the 964 experienced, I think we would see just as many 993's having been modded as 964's.
Also, with the rise in 964 values in the past couple years, it now makes a lot more economic sense to drop money into restoring them in their stock form. Before recently, doing a top-end rebuild on a 964 would have made you upside down as the cost of the rebuild could have exceeded the value of the car.
For me, I had always preferred the looks of the 993 over the 964 and so I bought one in 2011, before the crazy rise in valuations. Not wanting to put so many miles on the 993 and wanting to preserve it in stock form, I bought a 964 in 2013 for the purposes of 1) really thoroughly driving it without caring about door dings, putting on the miles etc., 2) modding it for the fun factor. Now that I have both, I hate to admit that I find my modded 964 (top end rebuild, light weight flywheel, Steve Wong chip, RS shifter mod, steel synchros for all gears, 200 cell cat, primary bypass, Bilstein HD's with H&R red lowering springs, RS engine mounts, Fuchs alloys, LED H4's) a lot more engaging than the 993. Never thought that would happen...but I still like the way the 993 looks more.
11-22-2015, 06:20 PM
#488
Drifting
Originally Posted by kreeshp
IMHO, the prevalence of slammed/modded 964's vs 993's has to do with recent valuations. Before about 2011-2013, the 964 was still regarded as the "red-headed step child" of the air-cooled 911 line. As such, the market values were especially low. I remember seeing many good examples in the $15k to $30k range. That made them an affordable entry point for modifying.
If the 993 values had dipped to the values that the 964 experienced, I think we would see just as many 993's having been modded as 964's.
Also, with the rise in 964 values in the past couple years, it now makes a lot more economic sense to drop money into restoring them in their stock form. Before recently, doing a top-end rebuild on a 964 would have made you upside down as the cost of the rebuild could have exceeded the value of the car.
For me, I had always preferred the looks of the 993 over the 964 and so I bought one in 2011, before the crazy rise in valuations. Not wanting to put so many miles on the 993 and wanting to preserve it in stock form, I bought a 964 in 2013 for the purposes of 1) really thoroughly driving it without caring about door dings, putting on the miles etc., 2) modding it for the fun factor. Now that I have both, I hate to admit that I find my modded 964 (top end rebuild, light weight flywheel, Steve Wong chip, RS shifter mod, steel synchros for all gears, 200 cell cat, primary bypass, Bilstein HD's with H&R red lowering springs, RS engine mounts, Fuchs alloys, LED H4's) a lot more engaging than the 993. Never thought that would happen...but I still like the way the 993 looks more.
If the 993 values had dipped to the values that the 964 experienced, I think we would see just as many 993's having been modded as 964's.
Also, with the rise in 964 values in the past couple years, it now makes a lot more economic sense to drop money into restoring them in their stock form. Before recently, doing a top-end rebuild on a 964 would have made you upside down as the cost of the rebuild could have exceeded the value of the car.
For me, I had always preferred the looks of the 993 over the 964 and so I bought one in 2011, before the crazy rise in valuations. Not wanting to put so many miles on the 993 and wanting to preserve it in stock form, I bought a 964 in 2013 for the purposes of 1) really thoroughly driving it without caring about door dings, putting on the miles etc., 2) modding it for the fun factor. Now that I have both, I hate to admit that I find my modded 964 (top end rebuild, light weight flywheel, Steve Wong chip, RS shifter mod, steel synchros for all gears, 200 cell cat, primary bypass, Bilstein HD's with H&R red lowering springs, RS engine mounts, Fuchs alloys, LED H4's) a lot more engaging than the 993. Never thought that would happen...but I still like the way the 993 looks more.
Sometimes I enjoy driving my SC over my 993. The more mechanical/analog feel to the torsion bar cars can be a blast to drive.
11-22-2015, 06:25 PM
#489
Originally Posted by Mixter
Was a good read until this :
"one thing any Porsche-phile will tell you is to stay away from the 1990 Carrera 4, I'll have to eat some of my own words on this but this is the only time where being primative isn't a good thing"
Sorry not feeling the warm and fuzzies.
"one thing any Porsche-phile will tell you is to stay away from the 1990 Carrera 4, I'll have to eat some of my own words on this but this is the only time where being primative isn't a good thing"
Sorry not feeling the warm and fuzzies.
11-24-2015, 04:16 PM
#494
Rennlist Member
...my modded 964 (top end rebuild, light weight flywheel, Steve Wong chip, RS shifter mod, steel synchros for all gears, 200 cell cat, primary bypass, Bilstein HD's with H&R red lowering springs, RS engine mounts, Fuchs alloys, LED H4's)...