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Old 02-18-2009, 01:51 AM
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Cayman is not a 911, and for me Porsche is ALL about the 911.
Old 02-18-2009, 03:25 AM
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I personally would not compare a 964 to a Cayman at $40K. For $40K, the equivalent would be a 965/aka 964 Turbo or and HIGHLY modified 964. And in either case, I would take a 964 in a heartbeat.
Old 02-18-2009, 05:22 PM
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Cayman to 964. 964 without a doubt. Cayman S or 964 now we have a decision to make. The cayman S is such an easy car to drive. It does not recognize your mistakes as where the 964 amplifies them. The caymen S is well behaved nicely balanced and does none of the things I love so much about my 911's. Capable yes fun to drive well IMO nothing to write home about. Unless a cayman S is pushed 10/10ths it lacks the feel and fun factor of the 964 not to mention the sound of the air cooled engine.

I think if I were to do club racing the Cayman S is an easy car to win races with. Although I will always cherish the 964 and can keep up with some very well setup cayman S's with highly modified suspensions and engine work. I have to push my 964 as hard as it will go in order to do what a CS does so naturally.

I don't race, don't plan on racing and will never trade my 964 C2 for a cayman S and wouldn't give a stock Cayman the time of day. As far as comparing a cayman S to a 965 there is no comparison the 965 will eat it up and spit it out.
Old 02-18-2009, 05:27 PM
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Can you put an x50 3.8 easily into a Cayman?
Old 02-18-2009, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Although I will always cherish the 964 and can keep up with some very well setup cayman S's with highly modified suspensions and engine work. I have to push my 964 as hard as it will go in order to do what a CS does so naturally.
You're kind of contradicting yourself here. First, the S's that you can hold our own with are "highly modified", then you say it's natural for an S. (But I think I know what you're saying, platform and development-wise.)

In any case, once you take one Cayman S, add X, Y, and Z in modifications.....unless you're buying right now in a bottom market.........the guys who have been out there with these have $70-80-90(?)K tied up in one. At that price, I'll go mano-a-mano with them in a stock GT3.

Bottom line is that I've yet to have ANY Cayman S run equal with me in the RS America out here. And that's a nearly stock car. I'm not sure where Mooty got with his before he got disgusted with all the problems, but I don't remember him telling me it was orders of magnitudes quicker than what I can run on a stock car, save some shocks and springs and junky old RA1's.
Old 02-18-2009, 11:05 PM
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We own a base model Boxster, I realise it's not a Cayman but somewhat close, and just purchased a '91 C2. Why? well it's the only solution to this delema!
Old 02-19-2009, 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 941MXVET
We own a base model Boxster, I realise it's not a Cayman but somewhat close, and just purchased a '91 C2. Why? well it's the only solution to this delema!
Me too

I got the base boxster 2 years before the 964. It was the boxster that turned me to Porsche. I use it as an everyday driver and it is a real delight. Modern, extremely capable, great fun down twisty roads and is almost unflappable. A very different drive to the 964, especially the wonderful front end bite you get with a mid engined chassis, but still lots of feedback and still 100% Porsche IMO. When I'm at the lights guys in 'hot' cars want to race me when I'm in the boxster. When I'm in the 964 they just want to admire it and cruise along side.
Old 02-19-2009, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by boxsey911
Me too

I got the base boxster 2 years before the 964. It was the boxster that turned me to Porsche. I use it as an everyday driver and it is a real delight. Modern, extremely capable, great fun down twisty roads and is almost unflappable. A very different drive to the 964, especially the wonderful front end bite you get with a mid engined chassis, but still lots of feedback and still 100% Porsche IMO. When I'm at the lights guys in 'hot' cars want to race me when I'm in the boxster. When I'm in the 964 they just want to admire it and cruise along side.
I'd like a cayman or boxster in addition to a 964 but I'd never exchange a 964 for either one
Old 02-19-2009, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by race911
You're kind of contradicting yourself here. First, the S's that you can hold our own with are "highly modified", then you say it's natural for an S. (But I think I know what you're saying, platform and development-wise.)

In any case, once you take one Cayman S, add X, Y, and Z in modifications.....unless you're buying right now in a bottom market.........the guys who have been out there with these have $70-80-90(?)K tied up in one. At that price, I'll go mano-a-mano with them in a stock GT3.

Bottom line is that I've yet to have ANY Cayman S run equal with me in the RS America out here. And that's a nearly stock car. I'm not sure where Mooty got with his before he got disgusted with all the problems, but I don't remember him telling me it was orders of magnitudes quicker than what I can run on a stock car, save some shocks and springs and junky old RA1's.
Ken,

Got lost in a tangent I guess. must be spring fever and a dieing need for some track time.
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Funny that this message is posted on a 964 page. What kind of response were you hoping for. Of course the majority of answers would be "keep the 964." I think you have made your decision, and were posting the question here, to reinforce your decision

Wonder what what happen if you post the same message on the Cayman Page???

I go with most other people - Keep the 964 - you seem to have a low mileage one that you love. I would hate to see you start your search for a 964 all over again. The Price of used Caymans will continue to drop..........don't rush into the decision.

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Old 02-19-2009, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Flagg
The Price of used Caymans will continue to drop...
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Ahhh... THERE's the rub.
'Drop' as in, to drop like a 964?
Or, 'drop' as in, dropping like a 944?

(numbers sold, perceived repair worthiness, styling & design 'uniqueness', all will bear on that outcome...)

It would seem Boxster numbers are foretelling more of a '944'-eulogy for the 'gators, than one of a '964'.

...but I could be wrong.
Old 02-19-2009, 12:16 PM
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It'll be cool when the first generation caymans (non-S) get cheap enough to create a spec cayman race class (similar to the spec boxster class that is all the rage right now). That would be a fun race car!
Old 02-19-2009, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by elbeee964
Ahhh... THERE's the rub.
'Drop' as in, to drop like a 964?
Or, 'drop' as in, dropping like a 944?

(numbers sold, perceived repair worthiness, styling & design 'uniqueness', all will bear on that outcome...)

It would seem Boxster numbers are foretelling more of a '944'-eulogy for the 'gators, than one of a '964'.

...but I could be wrong.
Well considering asking prices for an 06 cayman S with around 50k miles aren't much different than asking prices of a similar 964 along with the fact that far more Cayman S's have been produced and are now coming off lease, I think you will find the classic 964 will be a better value over time. Another issue not discussed here is the dry sump split case of a 964 has tremendous potential and can be rebuilt. The cayman would need a new crate motor if anything goes. I have seen some low mileage Cayman S's needing new motors. granted they are only about $6k to buy but if you need to pay someone to do it you could be looking at a bill comparable to a rebuilt 964 and with the 964 you can make improvements.

I don't think the camanS will ever hit current early BoxsterS lows but it will come close. The good news is they will make great track toys for very little $$ someday soon.
Old 02-19-2009, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by elbeee964
It would seem Boxster numbers are foretelling more of a '944'-eulogy for the 'gators, than one of a '964'.

Egotistically I certainly hope so Hope that goes for 987's though I just can't bear the 986/996 headlights



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