Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

crashed

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 06:27 PM
  #46  
X51911's Avatar
X51911
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 349
Likes: 1
From: Grand Rapids
Default

Take lots of photos while it is apart. Good documentation for when you have to sell. Overall your damage is not all that bad, but most of your front end will have been repainted and all will know it. Amazon green is metaillic and any fade lines will show up in the sun. This will not help on resale, but good documentation of what happened will.


Looks like your getting one new rim out the deal. Perhaps you should ask for a new set of colored caps?

If the hood is bent, try to get a new hood crest and hood shocks out the deal.

Since the car has been siting maybe that front carpet is getting wet and damaged and needs replaced. hummm?

I would try to get a new headlight cover, fog light cover and turn signal cover for the driver side too. Other wise you'll have one side pitted and the other side crystal new. Same thing if they replace the passenger fender well liner. This might be pushing things, but this is a Porsche, not a chevy malibu.

Get a copy of that estimate and schematic diagram of the front end. Make sure they are actually replacing everything they say they are and look for things that they may have missed.

I would try to squeeze an algnment out the deal for sure and possibly repainting your front brake calipers.

This is a prime oppertunity for the brake duct/fog light mod. Personally, if you want the car gone, get them to make it look as new as possible. Then sell it.
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2008 | 06:53 PM
  #47  
Guards964's Avatar
Guards964
Instructor
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
From: Nashville, TN
Default

Also check your oil cooler, since it sits up there along with your feed and return lines...trust me on this one, also, they will have to check the rebar and the shocks for the bumper. Take good pictures. I've got a ton from mine. PM me and I'll shoot you over some .

Scott
'92 Guards Red C2
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 02:34 PM
  #48  
cbwayo's Avatar
cbwayo
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 113
Likes: 1
From: Cape Cod, MA
Default

Update!!

I just got back from the shop and snapped a few pictures, which I'll try to post later this evening.

Apparently all the parts were received at the shop today, so assuming they are the correct ones, the shop owner said the car should be done by the end of this coming week. I've dealt with body shops before and know that "should be done" can sometimes mean "theoretically possible, but not likely".

In any event, its nice to see that work is getting done. The owner assured me that they would take care blending the paint across the entire front and down the passenger side. The hood does have a small high-point, so they'll be refinishing the hood (getting rid of all of the expected stone chips), and will be replacing the porsche crest as well.

Again, I'll post some pics later tonight and I look forward to any input.
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:22 PM
  #49  
cbwayo's Avatar
cbwayo
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 113
Likes: 1
From: Cape Cod, MA
Default

Pics below... so I guess the pics with bare metal indicate sections they have needed to correct..
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
DSC00082.jpg (108.7 KB, 358 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00083.jpg (117.4 KB, 361 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00084.jpg (128.2 KB, 361 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00085.jpg (114.2 KB, 352 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00086.jpg (113.0 KB, 358 views)
File Type: jpg
DSC00087.jpg (120.2 KB, 362 views)
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2008 | 11:25 PM
  #50  
cbwayo's Avatar
cbwayo
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 113
Likes: 1
From: Cape Cod, MA
Default

Note: I only included the first pic of the car from the rear angle, because I find it hilarious that the wing is still up (I typically use the manual switch to keep it up while I'm driving because i think it improves the overall look)
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2008 | 07:24 PM
  #51  
X51911's Avatar
X51911
Racer
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 349
Likes: 1
From: Grand Rapids
Default

This might be the camera, the angle or just something else, but the side shot of the pass. door looks like the panel gap of the door is off a bit.
Reply
Old Nov 13, 2008 | 09:50 PM
  #52  
elbeee964's Avatar
elbeee964
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 5,405
Likes: 75
From: S.E. VA
Thumbs down

Ewww -- am I seeing that right? -- not so jazzed about them hanging your radiator like a wind chime by its poor hoses.
(Hoses ain't meant to be load-bearing, shop guys. Hang that radiator by a spare clothes hanger, if you have to.)

Re your tail: "Put me back in, coach! -- I still got game!"
("Settle down, Sixtyfour -- let the doc take care of ya...")
Reply
Old Nov 15, 2008 | 04:16 PM
  #53  
Jon Hansen's Avatar
Jon Hansen
Advanced
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
From: Grand Rapids Michigan
Default

Have you ever hit something in the right front before? The lower right front pan area looks to have some previous damage. I can see some sheet metal wrinkles and it is pushed in and lower at the bottom. The factory undercoating in this area is not black either. Another sign of previous crash damage is spray can undercoating. I suppose it could be dirty and the lighting, but I am guessing hit #2 for the right front.
If you don't know for sure, ask the shop guys their opinion. It doesn't look like they have worked in that area.
It's coming along nicely.
Reply
Rennlist Stories

The Best Porsche Posts for Porsche Enthusiasts

story-0

Porsche 911 GT3 Artisan Edition Pays Homage to Japanese Culture

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Porsche Reveals Coupe Variant of the Electric Cayenne With a Fresh Look

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

10 Porsche Colors That Have More Personality Than Most People

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Guntherwerks' Final Speedster Creation Is the Ultimate Porsche Restomod

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Reasons I Hate Going to the Porsche Dealership (& the 1 Reason I Stay)

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Porsche Shakes Up The Nürburgring Lap Record Table Once Again

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

6 Ways the Porsche 911 GT3 S/C Redefines Performance

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

10 Wildest Homologation Specials Porsche Ever Sold

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Super Rare RUF BTR III Comes Out of Hibernation, Looking For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Porsche Opinions That Can Start a Fight

 Joe Kucinski
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 01:47 AM
  #54  
cbwayo's Avatar
cbwayo
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 113
Likes: 1
From: Cape Cod, MA
Default

I certainly haven't crashed the car before. The shop did say they thought there was some new paint on the rear right passenger side, but didn't mention anything about the front. I'll definitely ask them about it, and I see what you mean in the picture, but i looked over the car pretty closely in person and didn't notice it, so it could be dirt / lighting.

Last I heard the car could be ready by the end of the coming week. Fingers are crossed, presuming they can still do a good job to get it done that soon.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 01:22 PM
  #55  
Jon Hansen's Avatar
Jon Hansen
Advanced
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
From: Grand Rapids Michigan
Default

I owned a bodyshop specializing in Porsche and German repairs for almost 20 years. Here are a few things to look for:
Don't let them use spray can undercoating! The factory used a cream colored "Wurth" brand undercoating when they put the car together. It is a water based product that dries into the thick rubberized stuff that does such a great job. It is also referred to as body "Schutz". (pronounced shoots) It is applied directly out the plastic can using a simple siphon gun that screws onto the can of product. Your shop should duplicate the factory look and spray the living crap out of the underside of the new fender, any hammer marks from repairs to the tub, and especially the seam where the new fender joins to the front and rear aprons. The fender shouldn't even budge with all the bolts out. Seriously. It takes hours to get a factory installed 911 fender off without any damage. The fender should also have caulking inside the seam where it joins to the body. (think glue) INSIST they use this Wurth product to complete repairs, even if they have to buy the applicator gun. (it's cheap) They should caulk any gaps before using the Schutz, and they should apply it before painting, not afterwards. Being water based, it only takes a few hours to dry. I think the very bottom of the outside fender gets some too as well as the the wheel opening lips IIRC. This is for stone chip protection. (My car not here for reference) Carefully compare your old fenders to the work they do to the new fender. (before painting)
Make sure they do a decent job spot painting the hammer repair marks inside your underhood area. This area may need some Schutz also. You should confirm this yourself.
One other word of advice however, it can be impossible to get the Wurth undercoating in the winter months. They won't ship it then as it is water based and it will freeze during transport and become useless. Be prepared to source some from another shop that has stocked up for the winter.
If you do determine you have the cheaper spray can undercoating from a previous repair, ask your shop guys to clean it off with lacquer thinner, etc. and reapply the good stuff. Small hammer marks can be spot repaired using a paint brush as the Wurth is quite goopy.
I heard a rumor on Ferrari Chat that Wurth had discontinued the cream color in favor of other colors for quite a while, but the cream was now back in production. If you can't get the cream, They may have grey.
Old stock goes bad on the shelf after a couple years, so if someone has it, find out how old it is. A bad can kind of shrinks in on itself.
Reply
Old Nov 16, 2008 | 06:31 PM
  #56  
justinsrx7's Avatar
justinsrx7
Three Wheelin'
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,911
Likes: 17
From: Ottawa, Ontario
Default

Originally Posted by Jon Hansen
I owned a bodyshop specializing in Porsche and German repairs for almost 20 years. Here are a few things to look for:
Don't let them use spray can undercoating! The factory used a cream colored "Wurth" brand undercoating when they put the car together. It is a water based product that dries into the thick rubberized stuff that does such a great job. It is also referred to as body "Schutz". (pronounced shoots) It is applied directly out the plastic can using a simple siphon gun that screws onto the can of product. Your shop should duplicate the factory look and spray the living crap out of the underside of the new fender, any hammer marks from repairs to the tub, and especially the seam where the new fender joins to the front and rear aprons. The fender shouldn't even budge with all the bolts out. Seriously. It takes hours to get a factory installed 911 fender off without any damage. The fender should also have caulking inside the seam where it joins to the body. (think glue) INSIST they use this Wurth product to complete repairs, even if they have to buy the applicator gun. (it's cheap) They should caulk any gaps before using the Schutz, and they should apply it before painting, not afterwards. Being water based, it only takes a few hours to dry. I think the very bottom of the outside fender gets some too as well as the the wheel opening lips IIRC. This is for stone chip protection. (My car not here for reference) Carefully compare your old fenders to the work they do to the new fender. (before painting)
Make sure they do a decent job spot painting the hammer repair marks inside your underhood area. This area may need some Schutz also. You should confirm this yourself.
One other word of advice however, it can be impossible to get the Wurth undercoating in the winter months. They won't ship it then as it is water based and it will freeze during transport and become useless. Be prepared to source some from another shop that has stocked up for the winter.
If you do determine you have the cheaper spray can undercoating from a previous repair, ask your shop guys to clean it off with lacquer thinner, etc. and reapply the good stuff. Small hammer marks can be spot repaired using a paint brush as the Wurth is quite goopy.
I heard a rumor on Ferrari Chat that Wurth had discontinued the cream color in favor of other colors for quite a while, but the cream was now back in production. If you can't get the cream, They may have grey.
Old stock goes bad on the shelf after a couple years, so if someone has it, find out how old it is. A bad can kind of shrinks in on itself.
That's great information for us all Jon. Thanks for sharing!
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:16 PM
  #57  
Jon Hansen's Avatar
Jon Hansen
Advanced
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
From: Grand Rapids Michigan
Default

Any news on the completed repair job? I'd love to see a few "after" pics.

Jon
92 Amazon Green C2 Cabriolet.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:34 PM
  #58  
Kahdmus's Avatar
Kahdmus
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 3,852
Likes: 2
From: Pacifica CA.
Default

Originally Posted by justinsrx7
That's great information for us all Jon. Thanks for sharing!
I agree, definitely wurth the read!
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 01:18 AM
  #59  
Marc Shaw's Avatar
Marc Shaw
Super Duper Moderator
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,773
Likes: 21
From: YQU
Default

Originally Posted by Kahdmus
I agree, definitely wurth the read!


Marc
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 10:57 AM
  #60  
cbwayo's Avatar
cbwayo
Thread Starter
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 113
Likes: 1
From: Cape Cod, MA
Default

Well, I apologize, but I wanted to wait to write a formal update until I had pics, and several things are working against me from posting any. Firstly, I got my car back late last week, and over the weekend, they sprayed salt all over the roads here, so my car right now is more of an Amazon Flat Gray, instead of green metallic. Secondly, they couldn't source my euro lenses, so I've got them on order and am using my old faded/scratched amber ones in the mean time.

However, the car looks really great. Desirable features now include a chip-less hood, ding-less passenger-side door, bend-less bumper (it doesn't smile at you anymore), and one new headlight..yes, just one. From what I can tell, they did a really good job fading the paint, and they refurbished the panel above my rear right tire, which was suffering from some stone chips and some cracking in the rubber window trim, free of charge... (to me, anyway).

We're supposed to get into the 50's by midweek, at which point I'll probably be doing a wash, mini-detail, and I will of course take pictures. In other news, it was determined that the party at fault's insurance policy expired 2 days before the accident. I'm glad I have some prior experience with claims, and made sure to have all of the uninsured motorist / waiver of deductible extras on my policy. When all is said and done, I should just be out the diminished value, but no actual $ out of pocket.
Reply



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:49 AM.

story-0
Porsche 911 GT3 Artisan Edition Pays Homage to Japanese Culture

Slideshow: Porsche has created a Japan-only 911 GT3 Artisan Edition that blends track-ready hardware with design cues inspired by traditional Japanese craftsmanship.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-28 19:37:40


VIEW MORE
story-1
Porsche Reveals Coupe Variant of the Electric Cayenne With a Fresh Look

Slideshow: Porsche's latest electric Cayenne Coupe blends dramatic styling with supercar acceleration, turning the brand's midsize SUV into a 1,139-horsepower flagship.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-27 19:39:30


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Porsche Colors That Have More Personality Than Most People

Slideshow: Porsche's wildest paint colors aren't just shades-they're full-blown personalities on four wheels.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-27 19:38:13


VIEW MORE
story-3
Guntherwerks' Final Speedster Creation Is the Ultimate Porsche Restomod

Slideshow: The last of the Speedsters doesn't just close a chapter, it makes quite the bold, air-cooled statement.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:55:04


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons I Hate Going to the Porsche Dealership (& the 1 Reason I Stay)

Slideshow: Going to a Porsche dealership may not be the dream experience you expect it to be and these are the reasons why.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 13:54:19


VIEW MORE
story-5
Porsche Shakes Up The Nürburgring Lap Record Table Once Again

Slideshow: Porsche just proved-again-that precision engineering can outrun brute force at the Nürburgring.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-18 20:27:02


VIEW MORE
story-6
6 Ways the Porsche 911 GT3 S/C Redefines Performance

Slideshow: Six reasons why you will love the Porsche 911 GT3 S/C and 1 reason you will hate it.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-14 10:21:39


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Wildest Homologation Specials Porsche Ever Sold

Slideshow: Some of the most desirable Porsche models are those that were sold to the public solely for homologation purposes.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-08 09:54:26


VIEW MORE
story-8
Super Rare RUF BTR III Comes Out of Hibernation, Looking For a New Home

Slideshow: The lone BTR III-spec Targa features rare RUF engineering with a 430-hp turbo flat-six and fewer than 30 miles since its rebuild.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-06 20:03:25


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Porsche Opinions That Can Start a Fight

Slideshow: If you want to start a debate with a Porsche friend, these 10 opinions are a great way to get started.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-02 16:53:02


VIEW MORE