mye new toe-heel pedal!
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mye new toe-heel pedal!
Here are some pics of my toe-heel throttle pedal I did yesterday. The design is more or less from pics I’ve seen of some German Cup-cars.
The idea is to raise the pedal so you get a better angle when you want to toe-heel on downshifts. Last season I realized you really have to do this with the LWF and a LSD to get a good balance in car and to be easier on the material.
I thought about using fixed spacers instead of the longer screws, but I’m not sure about the height yet until I’ve driven the car. So with this solution it’s much easier to change the height. The six separate screws also make it possible to change the angle and the rake of the pedal for improved feel. The height right now is 27 mm (1 inch)
You need:
-a piece of sheet metal. I found a piece that was pre-drilled and looked “lightweight”!
-6 screws. I used 50 mm (2 inch) long M4 screws
-18 nuts, self locking
-18 washers
-Anti-slip tape
The pics show you what to do. I’m really pleased with the look, and the angle for the foot is so much better even if I’ve only “driven” the car in the garage so far!
In the final pic where the pedal is back in the car the spacer looks thinner than the stock pedal, but it’s just the angle of the picture. They are the same size.
The idea is to raise the pedal so you get a better angle when you want to toe-heel on downshifts. Last season I realized you really have to do this with the LWF and a LSD to get a good balance in car and to be easier on the material.
I thought about using fixed spacers instead of the longer screws, but I’m not sure about the height yet until I’ve driven the car. So with this solution it’s much easier to change the height. The six separate screws also make it possible to change the angle and the rake of the pedal for improved feel. The height right now is 27 mm (1 inch)
You need:
-a piece of sheet metal. I found a piece that was pre-drilled and looked “lightweight”!
-6 screws. I used 50 mm (2 inch) long M4 screws
-18 nuts, self locking
-18 washers
-Anti-slip tape
The pics show you what to do. I’m really pleased with the look, and the angle for the foot is so much better even if I’ve only “driven” the car in the garage so far!
In the final pic where the pedal is back in the car the spacer looks thinner than the stock pedal, but it’s just the angle of the picture. They are the same size.
Last edited by ThomasC2; 05-31-2008 at 05:20 AM.
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That's nicely done! I learned H/T while offroading in a Baja Bug (with roller pedal), and just recently attempted some shifts in my Pcar, but, alas, the go-pedal was too far down. This looks like a good solution. Let us know the driving results.
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That looks like a substantial increase in height for the accelerator pedal. Maybe the photos make it look like more height than it really is. I found that I only needed to use a modest amount of spacers to gain a little height on my accelerator pedal to accomplish perfect H/T position. In fact, I ended up lowering mine slightly (removing a spacer) from where I initially raised it to after a few track days where I was able to experiment with the correct height. It really doesn't take much height increase in most cases. You have to remember that you need to adjust the height based on the depressed brake pedal position relative to the accelerator... Not the 'at rest' brake pedal height. You'll be H/T-ing while braking which means the brake pedal will be depressed somewhat relative the the accelerator. That's why I ended up readjusting mine after my initial installation. I forgot that little dynamic...
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If you don't want to mess with "spacers", etc., remember that the pedal clusters on all 911s with floor hinged pedals are adjustable. Just remember to care for the brake light switch location if you change the brake pedal significantly (which you shouldn't need to do).
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It's maybe a bit high but I estimated the height from the pics I've seen and it still sits 10 mm below the brake pedal. With the stock pedal I was only able to get the heel on the throttle at maximum braking and even then the angle wasn't very comfortable. We'll see what happens on track!
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i understand it clever.... but i have driven so many different porsches... I ever understand this conversation.. the pedals in every 911 type car i have driven are perfect for "heel toe" driving... when on the track and really applying the breaks they level out perfectly....
am i missing something???
am i missing something???
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It maybe depends on how you do the T-H and what part of the foot you use? Some people just tilt the foot and press the throttle with the outside/right side of the foot.
Others like me keep the upper part of the foot on the brake and really turn the foot to press the throttle with the heel. I feel more confident when I can keep a bigger “area” of the foot on the brake pedal under heavy breaking. When I do this with the stock set up it feels really awkward….but hey, it’s maybe me having stiff ankles!
Others like me keep the upper part of the foot on the brake and really turn the foot to press the throttle with the heel. I feel more confident when I can keep a bigger “area” of the foot on the brake pedal under heavy breaking. When I do this with the stock set up it feels really awkward….but hey, it’s maybe me having stiff ankles!
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Bumping a SUPER old thread.
ThomasC2 do you have pictures of your pedal setup?
I have rennline covers. Brake pedal feels too low. For good heel toe i like brake pedal a decent bit higher than gas, that way when deep in the brake accelerator is more level...
Other option is adjust back gas I guess. Need to get in there and look.
ThomasC2 do you have pictures of your pedal setup?
I have rennline covers. Brake pedal feels too low. For good heel toe i like brake pedal a decent bit higher than gas, that way when deep in the brake accelerator is more level...
Other option is adjust back gas I guess. Need to get in there and look.
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That thing is awesome. I may get the rennline adjustable. I don’t need the extensions i have on now. Those are coming off. Will try adjusting both.
Just didn 100+ miles in canyons and that’s the only thing i need to fix.
Just didn 100+ miles in canyons and that’s the only thing i need to fix.