1990 Cup car vs. other vintages...
03-21-2007, 08:35 AM
#16
Nordschleife Master
Colin, on #3 above, the cars that went on to race in the Supercup series were upgraded to the 'X' brace, but were originally delivered with the single door bar.
Other differences are that the 1990 came with the M64/01 engine and G50/03 trans, not the M64/03 RS engine and G50/10 of the 1992 and later cars. However, I suspect that they were the same specification.
Other differences are that the 1990 came with the M64/01 engine and G50/03 trans, not the M64/03 RS engine and G50/10 of the 1992 and later cars. However, I suspect that they were the same specification.
03-21-2007, 08:49 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by SimonExtreme
Sorry, but this is incorrect! To start with the pre '92 cup cars were based on C2's. There were no RS's built in 1990! It wasn't until MY1992 (first available end of 1991) that the cup cars were based on the RS. I believe all of the '91 cup cars were based on the C2 and it wasn't until what are regarded as the '92 cars that it can safely be said that the RS was used.
The model designation M003 was used for the N/GT cars, normally called clubsport. Option code M001 designates a cup car. (thank you Adrian for enabling me to check my memory
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The model designation M003 was used for the N/GT cars, normally called clubsport. Option code M001 designates a cup car. (thank you Adrian for enabling me to check my memory
)
03-21-2007, 08:52 AM
#18
Nordschleife Master
M003 is the N/GT version of the Euro RS which is very, very similar to the Cup car, but lacks the Cup dampers and springs for example. M001 is the Euro Carrera Cup racing version of the car of which 297 (I think) copies were produced between 1990 and 1994.
03-21-2007, 10:47 AM
#19
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by Geoffrey
Colin, on #3 above, the cars that went on to race in the Supercup series were upgraded to the 'X' brace, but were originally delivered with the single door bar.
03-21-2007, 12:29 PM
#20
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Speaking of X-braces....NASA will be requiring all cars that race within to have an X-brace...What's the consensus on adding one to my 964 cup? This will become mandatory in 3 years I beleive...sorry to divert the thread, it just reminded me of this.....
03-21-2007, 12:43 PM
#21
Nordschleife Master
I recommend installing the 'X' brace for safety reasons. The factory cage material is 40mm and I would use 1 5/8" .095 or .120 thickness tubing (your preference). The addition is simple welding with only the dash to contend with.
03-21-2007, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by clubrcr
I guess I needed to do a little more research. But you need to check option codes, according to Peter Morgan's book (M001) was Carrera Cup, (M002) was touring and (M003) was another racing version that hjad a few more racing items, I guess this was the optiion for Supercup. .
The key differences between a Basic 964 RS (euro) and an M003 are as follows
1. Different clutch disk (drive plate)
2. M003 has a 40% LSD while Basic has 20-100%
3. Roll cage standard in M003, optional in Basic
4. M003 ha a lengthened steering wheel hub, Basic is optional
5. Outside (wing) mirrors on M003 are racing style
6. No carpets in the M003
7. Fire retardant seat covers in M003
I think that is it!! So, not a lot different really. This is why the 964RS (euro) is such a legend. Even the basic is a road legal race car with carpets!
03-21-2007, 07:27 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by 38D
The X must not have been required to race in the '93 supercup as oth mine & Charlie's have just the single door bar (and both ran in the Supercup series). I know that Jeff's car does have the X, so maybe it was optional. Charlie actually has the fulll '93 rule book in German which we should get translated at some point to find out for sure.
03-21-2007, 07:34 PM
#24
Burning Brakes
Originally Posted by 38D
The X must not have been required to race in the '93 supercup as oth mine & Charlie's have just the single door bar (and both ran in the Supercup series).
