Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

New Rotors cause wheel wobble?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-17-2006 | 08:27 AM
  #1  
asbi's Avatar
asbi
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
From: Cheshire, UK.
Default New Rotors cause wheel wobble?

All,
I have just had new rotors fitted to the front of my 964C2.

I now seem to have a slight wobble through the steering between 60-70mph which was not there before. I am going to get the fr wheels balanced up just to make sure but I am certain that this problem has appeared since the rotors were fitted.

Does anyone have any ideas/experience of this sort of problem?
Thanks,
Kevin.
Old 11-17-2006 | 08:45 AM
  #2  
Jim Howley's Avatar
Jim Howley
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 905
Likes: 2
From: Leeds, UK
Default

I would have thought the wobble would exist all the time if it was the rotors and would be noticable at anything other than low speeds. Does it disappear at 70 or just begin between 60 and 70?
Old 11-17-2006 | 08:56 AM
  #3  
964polar's Avatar
964polar
Racer
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 264
Likes: 5
From: Sweden
Default

The obvious question, surely no dirt between the hubs and discs or between hubs/wheels front??
Old 11-17-2006 | 09:05 AM
  #4  
larrytrk's Avatar
larrytrk
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,559
Likes: 74
From: MA
Default

Re torque lug nuts, sounds simple but uneven pressures can cause similar problem.
Old 11-17-2006 | 03:44 PM
  #5  
garrett376's Avatar
garrett376
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,476
Likes: 631
Default

Your rotors won't cause wobble unless your foot is on the brake pedal. It is most likely tires out of balance (maybe the weights got knocked off in the process of doing the brake work).
Old 11-17-2006 | 04:06 PM
  #6  
Indycam's Avatar
Indycam
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 2
From: not in HRM
Default

If you jack up the thing and spin a wheel , does if spin true or does it have run out ?
Could be side to side or up down . Could be a tire going bad , delaminating . Any funny feeling tread ?

Rotors get ballanced at the factory , they sometimes press in a ballance weight , the ballance of the rotor could be out .
Old 11-17-2006 | 04:14 PM
  #7  
LouZ's Avatar
LouZ
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,009
Likes: 22
From: Philly Area ----- George Washington took a dump in my backyard!
Default

This is a longshot....I always align the wheel to the RED lug as is described in the manual,ie, on D90's the valve stem is closest to the red lug, and on the other styles, the stem is opposite the lug. I understand that it is to account for the wheel lock, which is supposed to go on the red stud.

Since it is so simple to put the wheel on the proper stud, I do not have any experience with riding around with a different set-up.
Old 11-18-2006 | 09:35 AM
  #8  
springer3's Avatar
springer3
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,577
Likes: 50
From: Atlanta
Default

Amen to getting the wheel on in the same position that the factory used. I refresh the red paint on the stud as needed just to make sure the reference mark is preserved. Proper torque and preserving the wheel balance weights is also important. All these items are the responsibility of the mechanic that performed the brake work. Does he/she have an explanation?
Old 11-18-2006 | 03:32 PM
  #9  
D_Schultz's Avatar
D_Schultz
Instructor
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: Spruce Pine, NC USA
Default

Originally Posted by garrett376
Your rotors won't cause wobble unless your foot is on the brake pedal. It is most likely tires out of balance (maybe the weights got knocked off in the process of doing the brake work).
I WISH that were true - I have the same wheel wobble condition with onset between 45 & 70 mph - feet nowhere near brake pedal. Unfortunately, it is intermittent. Mostly happens on cool damp days. Can be severe (rattle your teeth & make your hands numb from violent vibrations on steering wheel).

Apparent cause is a caliper that doesn't always fully retract (right front) & diagnosed by substantially higher wheel/caliper/rotor temp after a drive during which the wobble has occured.
Old 11-18-2006 | 10:36 PM
  #10  
dfinnegan's Avatar
dfinnegan
Drifting
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,363
Likes: 24
From: NY, USA
Default

Originally Posted by springer3
Amen to getting the wheel on in the same position that the factory used.
Any way of determining the original red stud after the paint has worn off?
Old 11-18-2006 | 10:45 PM
  #11  
garrett376's Avatar
garrett376
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,476
Likes: 631
Default

Originally Posted by D_Schultz
I WISH that were true - I have the same wheel wobble condition with onset between 45 & 70 mph - feet nowhere near brake pedal. Unfortunately, it is intermittent. Mostly happens on cool damp days. Can be severe (rattle your teeth & make your hands numb from violent vibrations on steering wheel).

Apparent cause is a caliper that doesn't always fully retract (right front) & diagnosed by substantially higher wheel/caliper/rotor temp after a drive during which the wobble has occured.
So it is in agreement that changing rotors will not fix his problem - which was my clearly made point!
Old 11-18-2006 | 11:13 PM
  #12  
Indycam's Avatar
Indycam
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 2
From: not in HRM
Default

"Any way of determining the original red stud after the paint has worn off?"
Don't worry bout it . It does not matter unless you have your wheels balanced on the car .
After you change the rotor a few times , any chance that the factory balance is still around .....


"So it is in agreement "
I'd not rule out the rotors just yet .
Old 11-19-2006 | 02:26 PM
  #13  
asbi's Avatar
asbi
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
From: Cheshire, UK.
Default

Guys,
Thanks for all the responses, sorry i have been off-line, been chasing around after my 5 and 3 yr old boys!

Got the wheels balanced yesterday, one wheel was 5grammes out , the other 15grammes. Now seems a lot better.

Just to put my mind at rest i am going to put a dial gauge on the rotors to check for run out, does anyone know what the specs are for this, axial and radial?

Thanks as always,
Kevin.
Old 11-19-2006 | 02:27 PM
  #14  
asbi's Avatar
asbi
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 335
Likes: 0
From: Cheshire, UK.
Default

PS-Wheels are fitted with Locking nut on red stud opposite the tyre valve!
Old 11-19-2006 | 04:05 PM
  #15  
Indycam's Avatar
Indycam
Nordschleife Master
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,061
Likes: 2
From: not in HRM
Default

http://www.hunter.com/pub/product/ba...0T-1/index.htm
http://www.stormbalans.ru/eng/prod_ls1F.htm

If the wheel is balanced on the car , all the parts have to be kept in the original position .
If they are not in position , they are no longer balanced .
Once the tire has been rebalanced off of the car or the rotors replaced , the red dot is nothing .



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 05:47 PM.