mooty

thanx for the link, very informative.

clubrcr

I guess I sold you that car too cheap?

jlr

I looked at a Cup car at Rpm Sports Cars last x-mas -- his was in the mid-70s and I just decided not to spring for so much. I've got an RSA with PSS9, Guard LSD, new exhaust, chip. I've wanted a Cup car, and I know they are sought after, but my RSA is really dialed in. I don't know if something like this would be worth it at this point. Maybe one of the Cup car owners can chime in and tell us how Nirvana-like the experience of driving one of these cars can be...

ltc

I loved (and really miss) my RSA, but the first time out in the (Euro) Cup, but I think the flagger at start/finish could hear me screaming/laughing everytime I went by......still makes me smile everytime I get in.

clubrcr

The US Carrera Cups are very different than the RSA. The motor and transmission are different along with better "stocK" suspension. I raced my US Carrera Cup several times and torque off the corners was far superior than the C-2 and many 993s. The seam welded body is very stiff and the handling is wonderful. The lighter weight makes for a power to weight ratio up there with a turbo. I have heard, but can not be guaranteed, all these motors were closer to 300bhp and were all blueprinted at the factory. This makes sense, if you believe Porsche wanted to make a good showing in America when they raced the series, which ofcourse was canceled.

I think for reliable street/track car, these US Cups win hands down.

N51

Just when I'm leaning one way...

These cars are reasonably priced in relationship to something as a ~$70k Cayman, and resale... First desire, then justification.

Noah

DrJupeman

I have a '92 Euro Cup and it is simply awesome. Ask anyone working on the other side of my headset at the Road America race this past weekend how many times I yelled "I love this car!" into my headset.

They are also capable cars. Bob (fstockcarrera) ran a 2:05.2 in his at the past Watkins Glen race. If you do not know the Glen, check around and you will determine that to be a very stout time. Hell, I hit 2:08s in mine and that is still a very sweet time for a car that Porsche rated at only 260hp...

clubrcr

When you are putting your pro and con list together, put this down, the 964 Cup is harder to master the fine art of driving fast. The car will take you to the limit and when it's time to let go, it will fast. The tail wagging the dog. I personally enjoy the work involved in driving this car around the track. The Cayman, should be an easier car to drive fast, if it's anything like the 996. Not that I want to start a riot here, but I personally feel the 996 cars, including 996 Cup are kind of boring to drive on th track.

Larry Herman

The biggest problem that I see with the 92 cups is the price to performance ratio. For $60K they are awesome. For $80~85K I think that I'd rather have a solid early 996 cup car. They are 5 to 8 seconds faster on most tracks and are really the next step up.

clubrcr

Larry, I agree about the money, in the $80 range, their are several alternatives. The nice thing about the US Cup, is it uses an RS motor, unlike the GT3 Cup which uses the "true" cup motor. The US Cup is not that wild in it's normal configuration, so the up keep is less. I raced my car two seasons with nothing more than a regular service.

CarreraCup03

Jim, You did sell me (and Lewis) great cars! Thank you (and I think I can speak for lewis as well)!
Bob You are correct ... the factory matter cage does add value to the car ... I think the "track cups" are different. The car that is being discusses is the street version with 4200 miles. This is a collector car not a track car. There are not many of these left. The car is worth $$$. The point is the car is worth what somone is willing to pay.

N51

Jim,

Thanks for the added thoughts. But if I fall someday, I'll have this thread bookmarked, just to have the names of those who pushed me.

Noah
PS: Can the Matter cage still be sourced, without selling the north 40?

Larry Herman

I guess that if you include maintenance in the performance to cost ratio, the 92 cup would certainly be logical choice, but there is that something about a 996 cup that makes it worth the added expense, at least in my mind.

BTW the trailer is working great, and I will be at Daytona. Will you be there during the weekend?

ltc

Absolutely
One of those 'Kodak' moments...... the arrival of car from Jim:
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...chmentid=98687

Bull

US Cup, Andial car, converted to Race config by Andial (again) in '92, original owner from '92.