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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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I just installed a older Authority MAF or MAP on my 964 C2. The question I have is related to the chip that came with the MAF. Does any one know if you can change to another chip over having to keep the chip that came with the MAF iself? The chip that came with the Auth. MAF has a smoother acceleration factor over the custom chip I had in before I made the change. The chip I had before had a noticable kick around 3500 RPM where as now it just accels smoothly through the range. From the seat of the pants it's hard to say one way or the other- accept the kick is missing. HAs anyone changed chips ??
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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Perhaps you should get a dyno with the different chips and with/w/o MAF.
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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well, usually you have to send your the chip back to autothority and have them burn you a new one to match your set up (exhaust, cat bypass, light flywheel..)
now , what kind of chip you have on your car?? it sounds like a good one
iwas running a copy of a cup chip, made the car so much smoother and defenitly quicker.
authority MAF makes a big difference in power, i was very suprised when i drove a car with it.
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 11:23 PM
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Hey Gus,

When I had it, it screamed right at 5,000 and I could feel it.

My offer still stands btw.

Hope all is well,

Jim
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:37 AM
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I use a Autothorty MFS and to get the best result you need to use the Autothorty chip.Other chips are setup for the barndoor air meter not the mass flow sencer.I dought the other performance chip would work with the Autothorty MFS.I get a pretty good kick at 4500 rpm.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Gus
Does any one know if you can change to another chip over having to keep the chip that came with the MAF iself?
Is there a signal massager control unit that allows you to adjust the output voltage from the MAF? Some companies use them and others (the good ones) don't. If there is no control unit the voltage levels that correspond to air-mass flow are converted using tables stored in the custom eprom. And so if you use another performance chip this table of numbers in the ECU will be programmed for the original values for the stock AFM and not your MAF. It will still kinda work but poorly.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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"If there is no control unit the voltage levels that correspond to air-mass flow are converted using tables stored in the custom eprom."

Actually, there's no real conversion necessary, just a modification of the AFM fuel
maps for the MAF sensor.
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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Thanks to all for info - have to read and reread - First have an appointment to have the system checked with a local Porsche specialist - ( Jim - set adle as we talked about, also thanks for the note) - ( Jim - You had a primary by-pass and a cat as well?) still playing with it and will probably put on a dyno to see the difference (thks eggplant) here in the next week or so ) The power is there, seems to have more torque - just the kick-in has changed to a smoother accel. I think maybe a call to Authority (new name ?) may yield some insite(?) If they will talk about the MAF. Question - If the Authority chip witht he MAF has a custom table which is designed for the MAF input - this input over rides the standard table in the ECU and is read instead of the standard table - If I replace the Authority chip with another (trick/i.e. RUF) chip would the table in the new chip not over ride the table in the ECU also?? How does the ECU determine which table it will reference for control of the ingectors between the chip and what is programed into the ECU. I am jsut trying to understand how all this works - Thanks for the help and info
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Old Apr 25, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Hey Gus,

I sent you an email, but I do have the cat and primary bypasses.

Thanks,

Jim
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorenfb
Actually, there's no real conversion necessary, just a modification of the AFM fuel maps for the MAF sensor.
But then you end up with a 964 that doesn't run & idle correctly or as well as it should/could. The output voltage from HFM2 and HFM5 is not linear like it is with the stock AFM. The resistance levels for the temperature sensor are also completely different. (I realize some tuners completely ignore temperature input or rather set it to 68F with a resistor but...) The only way to be certain is to call the manufacturer and ask. And if they say they are using an external voltage level controller (i.e. split second) than another aftermarket performance chip should work otherwise you'll have problems.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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Jason - thanks for the additional expalination - the extra info helps greatly - When you say "external voltage level controller" is this the tempurature sensor that some companies don't put on or is this somethig totally different. In looking at the enternals and I know that this does not help one bit - there are two (2) small coils loaced in the internal sensor passage way which must take the readings -
I am not sure of the coil task - but could one measure the tempurature and the other the volume of air?? Thanks for sharing your knowledge
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gus
When you say "external voltage level controller" is this the tempurature sensor that some companies don't put on or is this somethig totally different.
The AFM and MAF don't measure the same thing so some companies use an "external voltage level controller" to trick the ECU into thinking the output from a MAF (mass) is equivalent to the output from the stock AFM (volume). The output from the MAF is already temperature corrected so normally you don't need to supply that to the ECU. However the 964 also uses the intake air temperature to adjust the ignition timing so some companies will use a (2kOhm ?) resistor to make the ECU think the temperature is always 68F/20C. Once the intake air temperature rises above that value the ECU will start to retard the ignition timing which will reduce the chance of knocking. Without a resistor the ECU would go into limp home mode. So if you have crappy fuel (i.e. California) and a high ambient air temperature you can have running problems. Like Loren says you don't need to do it this way but most do.

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In looking at the enternals and I know that this does not help one bit - there are two (2) small coils loaced in the internal sensor passage way which must take the readings -
I am not sure of the coil task - but could one measure the tempurature and the other the volume of air??
That's the way the Bosch units work. The Autothority MAF is actually supplied by ProFlow and it looks like they just use a stock Ford MAF which works the same way.
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