nota_troll

I know the Speedster and the RSA but is this 'worth' 50k?

so sweet

GG Allin

Personally I'd feel comfortable paying around 30k for that car. Before I bought my RSA I had a deal lined up top buy a white 94 C4 with 38k miles for $31k. 50k for that car is re-god-damn-diculous. I like the wheels though.

nota_troll

I almost bought an RSA. I love them.

Chris M.

I agree. All the C4s in 94 were wide bodies so they aren't that rare. There's one at porscheclassifed.com with 5K miles for $59K.

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garrett376

All 250 of them - I believe that's less than most special edition porsches (RSA's at least)... no?

AVoyvoda

Not really. The '92/3 Aniversary model (also called the Celebration) was a wide body 964 C4 coupe and 911 were made. Subsequently na widebodies (also called turbolook) were available as C4 or C2 coupes or convertibles. Therefore, I'd hazard a guess that at least several thousand na 964s were widebodies. Rarer than narrow bodies, of course, but not as rare as the Speedster or most specials. Interestingly, they all came with wider Cup 1 wheels, not Speedlines.

Computamedic

If Adrian is reading this I'm sure he has more exact numbers but I believe the '93 Celebration model was an ROW vehicle only - only 899 of the 911 were shipped and none were shipped to the US. The only other wide body car produced was a C2 Cabriolet other than, of course, the Turbo coupes. AFAIK there have NEVER been any C2 turbo look coupes produced by the factory although there are a few aftermarket conversions around.

The '94 wide bodied C4 was a US car only and was built to use a surplus of wide bodies and as a marketing "carrot" to placate the US dealers who were anxious because of the late arrival of the "new" 993.

The "Speedline" wheels were standard only on the 3.6 Turbo model and have been added later to any other model.

This is the information I have gleaned from a variety of sources so I have no "factual" knowledge of any of this so I am perfectly prepared to be corrected if anyone knows better.

Regards

Dave

Adrian

Dave,
The exact numbers are all in my book including the VINs. You are totally correct that apart from the Turbos there was never a wide body C2 Coupe.
The rarest 964 of all is the widebody Speedster.
There were less widebody C4 Coupes built than narrowbody Speedsters.
My main reference for the book was Porsche's own production records.
Ciao,
Adrian.

AVoyvoda

"There were less widebody C4 Coupes built than narrowbody Speedsters".
Sorry Adrian, this can't be right. 899 Celebrations plus several hundred (at least) C4 na turbolooks vis 930 narrow body Speedsters. I am refering to total world-wide production, not just for the USA.

Adrian

I suggest you take a visit to Porsche and personally review their production records.
According to PCNA documents (in my possession) 925 narrowbody Speedsters were imported into the USA alone. Total Speedster production was around 1800 to 2000 out of a planned 3000.
There were 899 C4 Anniversary models built with the remaining 12 sold later in a slightly different config.
There were approximately 250 C4 TLs sold in the USA in 1994.
These are facts.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Big_Mac

I've got one of the Anniversary cars, modified by Ruf with an RCT Evo engine and various other bits. If I can fathom how to attach pictures then I'll do so if anyone is interested to see.

AVoyvoda

Sorry Adrian, I don't wish to get into an argument over this, but others have disputed your numbers (pls see previous posts on the subject). The alternative production numbers are:
930 Speedster
702 WTL C2 Cabriolets
911 Anniversary C4 Coupes 1993 (your book, page 583)
256 C4 Turbolook for US market only 1994 (your book, page 583)
? Turbolook 1994 for ROW market?
I have one of each (an Anniversary and a Speedster) so there is no axe to grind. But I find it strange that you show no Turbolooks sold outside the USA, at any time.

Adrian

I think you need to go back and read chapter one again. ROW = Rest of the world which excludes America.
The production/VIN tables are divided up into ROW and USA markets.
By the way feel free to dispute my numbers anyone can. Sadly nobody ever comes up with any verifiable information to support their case. They may quote other authors or web sites, but never any Porsche documentation.

Ciao,
Adrian.

PS: Outside the 899 911 Anniversaries and the 12 unsold 911 Anniversary models that were released to special customers in the ROW market, every other alleged ROW C4 and C2 Turbolook Coupe presented on this forum, other forums, to me personally for verification have been proven to be aftermarket conversions. This includes the guy in England trying to sell "Factory built" widebody 964 Turbo Cabriolets. There was another in the US state of Florida as well.

PSS: These discussions go nowhere anyway. My book quotes the Porsche production records and other sources. These sources are clearly identified as are the persons and their departments that provided information. I am not permitted by agreement to present in public the actual records. What I always recommend is that if you believe you have a factory built special car is to apply to Porsche AG through your local distributor for the build sheet for a specific VIN.
I have obtained many of these in the past (I no longer so such things) to prove the authenticity of 964 (or other Porsche type) in question. If you pay for this service you can post it in public as long it pertains to your Porsche.

Big_Mac

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I have one ...an Anniversary QUOTE]

Out of interest what's your number? I noticed from another thread that you've had it from new. I think there are only about 45 in the UK including some non-numbered ones.

inkyboy911

Big mac, I'd love to see yer car!!