are widebody 964 collectibles?
03-24-2006, 09:29 AM
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Is this the car from eporsch? In Total911 the other month? Cracking machine, I was lucky enough to drive it - awesome performance but actually easier to drive than my C2!
Is this the car from eporsch? In Total911 the other month? Cracking machine, I was lucky enough to drive it - awesome performance but actually easier to drive than my C2!
03-24-2006, 10:40 AM
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Yes, I was the lucky ****** who bought the car from Roly. I'm still in awe of it and looking forward to the weather improving to go along to various Porsche events.
Phil Raby and I are in conversation about doing another Total911 feature of the car alongside a 3.6 Turbo 2 with more technical information and comparisons. Do you think it would make a good article?
Phil Raby and I are in conversation about doing another Total911 feature of the car alongside a 3.6 Turbo 2 with more technical information and comparisons. Do you think it would make a good article?
03-24-2006, 11:57 AM
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Sorry Adrian to keep coming back to the subject, but in your book the only widebody cabrio mentioned (pages 582 -583) are the 250 American Roadsters made in 1992 for the US market. I can't find any mention of widebody 964 cabrios sold in ROW except for a few widebody Speedsters.
Yet, just checked www.mobile.de and there are 13 (thirteen) WTL - widebody - cabrios for sale in Germany right this minute. They can't all be aftermarket conversions. Where do they come from?
Yet, just checked www.mobile.de and there are 13 (thirteen) WTL - widebody - cabrios for sale in Germany right this minute. They can't all be aftermarket conversions. Where do they come from?
03-24-2006, 12:43 PM
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I just checked a few German sites and there are indeed quite a few WTL Cabrio's around. There are certainly a number of aftermarket conversions in the lot but this Himbeerrot one caught my eye. The seller claims it to be "Sondermodell,1 von 702 jemals gebauten originalen 911 Werkturbolook Cabrio" meaning that this car is 1 of 702 original WerksTurboLook cabrio's ever built. The term WTL is probably used at random by some, ab Werk means litteraly "from the factory". These discussions surface every now and then, probably linked to the seasons 
03-24-2006, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mac
Phil Raby and I are in conversation about doing another Total911 feature of the car alongside a 3.6 Turbo 2 with more technical information and comparisons. Do you think it would make a good article?
Great idea. Would make interesting reading
03-25-2006, 12:34 AM
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Do you think it would make a good article?
All 250 of them - I believe that's less than most special edition porsches (RSA's at least)... no?
I wonder how difficult (costly) it would be to transform a narrow 964 to look like that widebody. It makes me moist. I know (TMI)
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03-26-2006, 03:03 AM
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Precicely, Chris. Interestingly, all the WTL - widebody - used cabrios for sale, in Germany, were produced in 1992, the same year as the American Roadster. It stands to reason that Porsche would produce a similar model for the US and the ROW, ergo the 702 WTL cabrios mentioned by others but omitted by Adrian. The US widebody cabrios were called "American Roadsters" the ROW cars "WTL cabrios".
03-27-2006, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AVoyvoda
Sorry Adrian to keep coming back to the subject, but in your book the only widebody cabrio mentioned (pages 582 -583) are the 250 American Roadsters made in 1992 for the US market. I can't find any mention of widebody 964 cabrios sold in ROW except for a few widebody Speedsters.
Yet, just checked www.mobile.de and there are 13 (thirteen) WTL - widebody - cabrios for sale in Germany right this minute. They can't all be aftermarket conversions. Where do they come from?
Yet, just checked www.mobile.de and there are 13 (thirteen) WTL - widebody - cabrios for sale in Germany right this minute. They can't all be aftermarket conversions. Where do they come from?
Plus if you read page 583 under model year 1992 you will see Cabriolet/TL inc. Tiptronic listed. This page "just" shows the total production numbers and the ROW TLs were included in the overall Cabriolet numbers. The American Roadster is separate because it was marketed as a separate model.
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Adrian.
03-27-2006, 04:38 AM
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Thanks Adrian. We can now establish the production numbers, which are:
702 ROW Cabriolet Turbo look (1992)
250 USA American Roadster (1992)
899 ROW Anniversary (1993) (C4 Anniversary model, 911 built, 899 delivered)
12 unsold 911 Anniversaries built up and sold to special customers in 93/94.
15 ? widebody Speedster
256 to 450 (nobody knows exactly how many) 1994 USA only C4 TLs. AS post 03-05-2003
By my reckoning, the above total exceeds 2,000. Therefore, answering the original posted question, na widebodies are not all that rare. And, since 1,506 Speedsters were made, Speedsters are rarer than na widebodies. My earlier statement: Therefore, I'd hazard a guess that at least several thousand na 964s were widebodies. Rarer than narrow bodies, of course, but not as rare as the Speedster or most specials was, indeed, correct.
702 ROW Cabriolet Turbo look (1992)
250 USA American Roadster (1992)
899 ROW Anniversary (1993) (C4 Anniversary model, 911 built, 899 delivered)
12 unsold 911 Anniversaries built up and sold to special customers in 93/94.
15 ? widebody Speedster
256 to 450 (nobody knows exactly how many) 1994 USA only C4 TLs. AS post 03-05-2003
By my reckoning, the above total exceeds 2,000. Therefore, answering the original posted question, na widebodies are not all that rare. And, since 1,506 Speedsters were made, Speedsters are rarer than na widebodies. My earlier statement: Therefore, I'd hazard a guess that at least several thousand na 964s were widebodies. Rarer than narrow bodies, of course, but not as rare as the Speedster or most specials was, indeed, correct.