964 is it the last classic 911??
10-11-2005, 11:08 AM
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964 is it the last classic 911??
well at least it is for me...
im not saying that the rest are bad or somthing, i would be proud to own ANY 911 but to ME the 964 is the last classic porsche and it was build to last (okay we all know they all have thier problem)
i have gone from a 996 4s to nearly buying my 964 (just waiting for my PPI)
im not saying that the rest are bad or somthing, i would be proud to own ANY 911 but to ME the 964 is the last classic porsche and it was build to last (okay we all know they all have thier problem)
i have gone from a 996 4s to nearly buying my 964 (just waiting for my PPI)
10-11-2005, 11:36 AM
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To me that title goes to the 993... someday I will own a 993 again... but not letting go of my 964...
Adrian has mentioned Porsche saying that the 964 was the last true 911 and built like none other... something along those lines... I just happen to love the looks of the 993 just as much.
Adrian has mentioned Porsche saying that the 964 was the last true 911 and built like none other... something along those lines... I just happen to love the looks of the 993 just as much.
10-11-2005, 11:43 AM
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I guess it depends what you mean by classic.
I do prefer the looks of the 993 and for me, that's the one to have. But not enough to justify selling the 964 which I spent a lot of money sorting after I'd bought it. And I also don't think the difference would be enough to justify the price difference. If I didn't own a 964 though......
But on the other hand, a 964 does retain the classic 911 shape much more than 993s / 996s / 997s - so from that perspective the 964 is the last classic 911.
I do prefer the looks of the 993 and for me, that's the one to have. But not enough to justify selling the 964 which I spent a lot of money sorting after I'd bought it. And I also don't think the difference would be enough to justify the price difference. If I didn't own a 964 though......
But on the other hand, a 964 does retain the classic 911 shape much more than 993s / 996s / 997s - so from that perspective the 964 is the last classic 911.
10-11-2005, 11:59 AM
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Adrian mentions that the 964 was the last 911 built for the enthusiast market.
However, when the 911 finally gets discontinued someday and hybrid 4 door Porsche sedans are all we can get for new cars, THAT'S when the last "classic" 911 will be built.
Kids nowdays are being "raised" on the current generation water cooled 911's and Boxsters and such. When these 12 year old's reach the age where they can afford a 15 year old 2005 997, they'll probably look at the old fan/oil cooled 911's like we look at 356's. A part of Porsche history, but probably not something they really want to drive anyway since they are so archaic and past their time. I did not grow up with 356's. They were always old cars to me. While I like them and wouldn't mind a late 356 if I had oodles of money and time to mess with an old car, I have no real lust for that car. I'd prefer to have several 911's from the '70's or '80's since that is what I grew up with.
SC's, 3.2's and 964's will become what 356's are now. Delegated to the Sunday only type drives and concours cars. Parts will be hard to come by (Porsche probably will have discontinued tons of this stuff, especially some of the electronic control modules). It'll be up to the aftermarket to keep these cars running. Porsche is already not supporting parts for cars of model years prior to 1983.
964's only look classic. They are so far advanced over the earlier cars and so different to drive. I would still classify a 'classic' 911 as one being built from '65 to '89. Even the G50 3.2's loose a bit of that feel with the smoother shifting tranny. I've read that enthusiasts were enraged when the softer, more luxury laden 1978 SC came out. Have times really changed that much?
I drive my brother's newly aquired 1983 SC to work now and then. It's a VERY fun car. But, in today's traffic, I really have to think and plan to be able to react in time for today's increased volume of traffic. People are such idiots and are on the phone or not paying attention that it almost takes an easier to drive car such as my Honda Si to cope with daily driving chores. I think I would tire very quickly of that SC if I had to bang that thing through the city streets and past all the idiots in SUV and beater cars with it's heavy clutch, inept ventilation and such. Better left for the occasional trek to work or for the weekend drives on the back roads.
My point is, times have changed and Porsche is adapting the new cars to what people need and want instead of being left in the dust producing hard to drive cars for a very small specialist market.
Jay
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However, when the 911 finally gets discontinued someday and hybrid 4 door Porsche sedans are all we can get for new cars, THAT'S when the last "classic" 911 will be built.
Kids nowdays are being "raised" on the current generation water cooled 911's and Boxsters and such. When these 12 year old's reach the age where they can afford a 15 year old 2005 997, they'll probably look at the old fan/oil cooled 911's like we look at 356's. A part of Porsche history, but probably not something they really want to drive anyway since they are so archaic and past their time. I did not grow up with 356's. They were always old cars to me. While I like them and wouldn't mind a late 356 if I had oodles of money and time to mess with an old car, I have no real lust for that car. I'd prefer to have several 911's from the '70's or '80's since that is what I grew up with.
SC's, 3.2's and 964's will become what 356's are now. Delegated to the Sunday only type drives and concours cars. Parts will be hard to come by (Porsche probably will have discontinued tons of this stuff, especially some of the electronic control modules). It'll be up to the aftermarket to keep these cars running. Porsche is already not supporting parts for cars of model years prior to 1983.
964's only look classic. They are so far advanced over the earlier cars and so different to drive. I would still classify a 'classic' 911 as one being built from '65 to '89. Even the G50 3.2's loose a bit of that feel with the smoother shifting tranny. I've read that enthusiasts were enraged when the softer, more luxury laden 1978 SC came out. Have times really changed that much?
I drive my brother's newly aquired 1983 SC to work now and then. It's a VERY fun car. But, in today's traffic, I really have to think and plan to be able to react in time for today's increased volume of traffic. People are such idiots and are on the phone or not paying attention that it almost takes an easier to drive car such as my Honda Si to cope with daily driving chores. I think I would tire very quickly of that SC if I had to bang that thing through the city streets and past all the idiots in SUV and beater cars with it's heavy clutch, inept ventilation and such. Better left for the occasional trek to work or for the weekend drives on the back roads.
My point is, times have changed and Porsche is adapting the new cars to what people need and want instead of being left in the dust producing hard to drive cars for a very small specialist market.
Jay
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10-11-2005, 02:17 PM
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IMO it can go three ways...
Could be the Carrera 3.2 as some say, but I don't really agree.
Could go to the 964 because it's the last air-cooled that has the classic look.
But could be the 993 since it's the last and most evolved of the air-cooled.
Pure preference.
Could be the Carrera 3.2 as some say, but I don't really agree.
Could go to the 964 because it's the last air-cooled that has the classic look.
But could be the 993 since it's the last and most evolved of the air-cooled.
Pure preference.
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10-16-2005, 12:33 PM
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The 964/993 issue will probably be with us always, but IMHO the 964 Targa will certainly be countered among of the last of the classic Porsches, whatever the numeric designations.
10-16-2005, 01:15 PM
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I concur with the Mad Hungarian, the targa 964 is the quintesential 911.
ps. that's the first time I've used the word "quintesential" since leaving grammar school.......
ps. that's the first time I've used the word "quintesential" since leaving grammar school.......
10-16-2005, 01:32 PM
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I Agree with all above the 964 is the last of the real 911`s with its destinctive styling.
As for the 993 im sure its a superior car but the looks put me off.
Btw the coupe is the classic 911 )
As for the 993 im sure its a superior car but the looks put me off.
Btw the coupe is the classic 911 )
10-16-2005, 02:07 PM
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i think what makes me partial to the 964 is the front end, i really like the humps in the fenders.i think this is the 911 trademark to me. I always wanted a 911 since i was a kid, and back then the sc was on my list. but after the 964 came out i like the more modern look and the way they updated the a/c heating sytem and the way the center console is instead of the long shifter in the previous sc. the 993 is nice when you look from the back but the nose does not match the rest of the car. that rear end is a definate work of art. everyone always complains of the 964 faults, but being realistic all the lines of the 911 had one or two things that were troublesome. i can appreciate any 911 but i enjoy the 964 and would not want to trade it for any other model. if i were set on buying a different model i would definatly have to keep mine and add a second one. it sure would be nice to have one of each 911 model from the beginning to end. i would stop at the 993 model as after that they just dont seem the same anymore. its amazing when some little kid comes by your car and says hey is that like the car on bad boys?? 
10-16-2005, 02:19 PM
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The last thing I wanted to start is internecine warfare among 964 coupe, cabrio and targa aficionados, which is why I was careful to use the plural. I’ll leave it to the coupe owners to decide whether it is the 964 or 993 coupe that is the “truer” classic. And as I recall, the original Porsches were open cars, a point in favor of the cabrios. Hey, they are all great cars!