94 RSA
11-28-2001, 12:33 PM
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94 RSA
Need to know about the rear seats on 94 RSA's, if possible.
Looking at purchasing a 94 and wondering if the rear seats are cloth, like the fronts?
Also wondering, the owner had rear speakers put in (not original) the parcel shelf. Not sure how this works. If I want to remove the speakers I will have to buy a new shelf as I'm sure it has holes in it. Is the shelf part of the seats (so I have to buy new seats also) or can I get it seperately?
Have not seen the car in person yet, that's why I'm asking. And the car is being brokered so information (accurate) is lacking.
Thanks in advance.
Brent
Looking at purchasing a 94 and wondering if the rear seats are cloth, like the fronts?
Also wondering, the owner had rear speakers put in (not original) the parcel shelf. Not sure how this works. If I want to remove the speakers I will have to buy a new shelf as I'm sure it has holes in it. Is the shelf part of the seats (so I have to buy new seats also) or can I get it seperately?
Have not seen the car in person yet, that's why I'm asking. And the car is being brokered so information (accurate) is lacking.
Thanks in advance.
Brent
11-28-2001, 02:00 PM
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<STRONG>Need to know about the rear seats on 94 RSA's, if possible.
Looking at purchasing a 94 and wondering if the rear seats are cloth, like the fronts?
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Looking at purchasing a 94 and wondering if the rear seats are cloth, like the fronts?
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As I recall, the RSA didn't come with rear seats, just the package shelf/storage area.
11-28-2001, 02:12 PM
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Brent;
Last year I talked with a gentlemen that had a '93 RSA, he said that he had cloth rear seats. I did not see it for myself, so I could not confirm it, however if you have a rear parcel shelf you won't have the rear seats. The parcel shelf is made out of genuine plywood. 5/8" thick to be exact, you can purchase replacement carpet and redo the plywood. I really liked the shelf in my RSA, I purchased a used one for my C2 cab. You will see them used for around $275.00-$450.00
Last year I talked with a gentlemen that had a '93 RSA, he said that he had cloth rear seats. I did not see it for myself, so I could not confirm it, however if you have a rear parcel shelf you won't have the rear seats. The parcel shelf is made out of genuine plywood. 5/8" thick to be exact, you can purchase replacement carpet and redo the plywood. I really liked the shelf in my RSA, I purchased a used one for my C2 cab. You will see them used for around $275.00-$450.00
11-28-2001, 02:19 PM
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The 94's came with rear seats, unfortunately. The 93's did not.
And there is a shelf, similar to those on C2 coupes, behind the rear seats on the 94's. I called it a parcel shelf because I couldn't think of what else to call it. It buts up against the bottom of the rear window.
On another note, how worried should I be that the speedo was changed at 8K miles. The documentation from the dealer is in order but I have no way of verifying how long the car was driven before replacement.
Brent
And there is a shelf, similar to those on C2 coupes, behind the rear seats on the 94's. I called it a parcel shelf because I couldn't think of what else to call it. It buts up against the bottom of the rear window.
On another note, how worried should I be that the speedo was changed at 8K miles. The documentation from the dealer is in order but I have no way of verifying how long the car was driven before replacement.
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11-28-2001, 03:05 PM
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brent,
parcel (rear) shelf question: i'm not sure about the replacement of the shelf itself, but you should be able to at least get similar carpeting and recover the holes at a minimum. i would figure out how much it's going to cost to 'fix' that shelf and have that amount factored into the price of the car. obviously, long term, you'll want the shelf repaired/replaced properly
rear seats: i understand that the rear seats are cloth, but i also have not seen them for myself. you might want to check with someone on the rsamerica.net registry. this would be a perfect topic for keith's rsamerica forum, but, unfortunately, he doesn't have it up and running yet.
the speedo issue: the best thing to do would be to check all receipts to see how close you can get the gap between when the car was still registering a mileage on repair bills (not many at that mileage) to when the replacement took place. on cars that have had the speedo replaced, it is normally mandated that they carry a sticker in the door jamb that listed the mileage and date of replacement. again, unless this can be documented quite well, i would try to bargain on this issue. in the long run, you may find you have some trouble when you try to sell the car. potential buyers may have the same hesitation that you have right now. i always consider resale on vehicles i buy, no matter how long i plan to keep them. things like this always have an impact on how easily you can sell that item again. i looked at a 944 turbo a while back that had it's speedo replaced and it is was quite well documented. because it was a higher mileage car, i could also get the dates and noted mileages to a very close window. hope this helps. bottom line, consider how it may affect your resale. good luck.
parcel (rear) shelf question: i'm not sure about the replacement of the shelf itself, but you should be able to at least get similar carpeting and recover the holes at a minimum. i would figure out how much it's going to cost to 'fix' that shelf and have that amount factored into the price of the car. obviously, long term, you'll want the shelf repaired/replaced properly
rear seats: i understand that the rear seats are cloth, but i also have not seen them for myself. you might want to check with someone on the rsamerica.net registry. this would be a perfect topic for keith's rsamerica forum, but, unfortunately, he doesn't have it up and running yet.
the speedo issue: the best thing to do would be to check all receipts to see how close you can get the gap between when the car was still registering a mileage on repair bills (not many at that mileage) to when the replacement took place. on cars that have had the speedo replaced, it is normally mandated that they carry a sticker in the door jamb that listed the mileage and date of replacement. again, unless this can be documented quite well, i would try to bargain on this issue. in the long run, you may find you have some trouble when you try to sell the car. potential buyers may have the same hesitation that you have right now. i always consider resale on vehicles i buy, no matter how long i plan to keep them. things like this always have an impact on how easily you can sell that item again. i looked at a 944 turbo a while back that had it's speedo replaced and it is was quite well documented. because it was a higher mileage car, i could also get the dates and noted mileages to a very close window. hope this helps. bottom line, consider how it may affect your resale. good luck.
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11-28-2001, 04:42 PM
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Thanks for the info, Rich. We had settled on a tentative price, pending the PPI. Now it's time to get down and dirty!
As has been noted on previous threads, there is no great consensus on what these cars are worth. The asking prices vary wildly (and widely). Makes it hard to negotiate.
I, like you, think of resale even though I plan to keep this car for the indefinite future.
Brent
As has been noted on previous threads, there is no great consensus on what these cars are worth. The asking prices vary wildly (and widely). Makes it hard to negotiate.
I, like you, think of resale even though I plan to keep this car for the indefinite future.
Brent
11-28-2001, 08:30 PM
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brent,
you mentioned the wide range of prices on the cars. that's true, they do range quite a bit, but in the end, there is a price where cars actually sell. it all depends on how badly the buyer wants that particular car or how motivated the seller really is. the value of an RSA, as with most cars, seems to be based on mileage, upgrades (i believe the 'stock' cars will retain the best value - most would agree. just make sure you can always take it back to stock configuration. but, if you've put 'smart' money into a car, that could/should have a positive affect too), maintenance/records and overall condition (paint, interior, etc.). remember also, there are more than a few RSAs for sale out there right now. i thought you mentioned that this was going to be a long distance purchase. if so, why not look at some of the other cars out there and see what you can do for price on those too. i just checked rsamerica.net and there are 6 RSAs listed as currently for sale. i happen to know of 2 more in maryland right now (both low mileage and the prices reflect that) and i ran across 2 more on the PCA web site just today (not sure if they are still available). unless there is a reason you want the one you're currently looking at, consider others. also, i do not believe the 94s are worth any more than the 93s, based on fewer built as actual 94s. if anything, i think i'd try to find an early 93, built in 92, that might have the seam welded tub. as far as general price, i'd say any car in very good-great condition, with 30-45K miles, should get high 30s or more (this is a buyer's market). you might find one for less, i did. a rarer color will sometimes bring more. pristine condition, more again. if you're buying a real 'driver' or a potential DE/track car, look at some of the higher mileage cars. just make sure you consider all the cars that are out there right now. good luck with your purchase. you're gonna love the car.
you mentioned the wide range of prices on the cars. that's true, they do range quite a bit, but in the end, there is a price where cars actually sell. it all depends on how badly the buyer wants that particular car or how motivated the seller really is. the value of an RSA, as with most cars, seems to be based on mileage, upgrades (i believe the 'stock' cars will retain the best value - most would agree. just make sure you can always take it back to stock configuration. but, if you've put 'smart' money into a car, that could/should have a positive affect too), maintenance/records and overall condition (paint, interior, etc.). remember also, there are more than a few RSAs for sale out there right now. i thought you mentioned that this was going to be a long distance purchase. if so, why not look at some of the other cars out there and see what you can do for price on those too. i just checked rsamerica.net and there are 6 RSAs listed as currently for sale. i happen to know of 2 more in maryland right now (both low mileage and the prices reflect that) and i ran across 2 more on the PCA web site just today (not sure if they are still available). unless there is a reason you want the one you're currently looking at, consider others. also, i do not believe the 94s are worth any more than the 93s, based on fewer built as actual 94s. if anything, i think i'd try to find an early 93, built in 92, that might have the seam welded tub. as far as general price, i'd say any car in very good-great condition, with 30-45K miles, should get high 30s or more (this is a buyer's market). you might find one for less, i did. a rarer color will sometimes bring more. pristine condition, more again. if you're buying a real 'driver' or a potential DE/track car, look at some of the higher mileage cars. just make sure you consider all the cars that are out there right now. good luck with your purchase. you're gonna love the car.
11-28-2001, 09:46 PM
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Rich,
I agree with everything you mentioned. And, yes, there are more than a few for sale right now (but less than about a month ago). However, I am looking for some specifics. Color, options, etc. I have looked for a while (over 2 months). Kicked some tires and blown out some carbon from people's engines. In the end, there really aren't many good ones for sale right now that people are being reasonable in price. I've walked away from a few that people were begging me to buy because they were junk.
One in Maryland you mentioned is a white one with 15K miles. Originally the ad posted for $46-47K then suddenly the ad jumped the $54K he's asking now. Huh? $47K was too much but $54K? There are a lot if I was willing to take it in the shorts on price. They can't possibly command that premium.
I have seen all the cars you mentioned, and maybe more. Part of my problem is I won't buy red (personal reasons and there are a lot of red RSA's to be had) and I really can't buy black because of where I live (middle of the Mojave desert). That leaves white, blue or Silver (my favorite).
Anyway, I'm trying to negotiate on the parcel shelf to bring it back to original shape. I need an estimate for repair. I agree, stock will hold it's value more.
The car does have the door jamb plate with regard to speedo change.
The stories I could tell about dealing with a broker long distance on a car like this. Never again!
I agree with everything you mentioned. And, yes, there are more than a few for sale right now (but less than about a month ago). However, I am looking for some specifics. Color, options, etc. I have looked for a while (over 2 months). Kicked some tires and blown out some carbon from people's engines. In the end, there really aren't many good ones for sale right now that people are being reasonable in price. I've walked away from a few that people were begging me to buy because they were junk.
One in Maryland you mentioned is a white one with 15K miles. Originally the ad posted for $46-47K then suddenly the ad jumped the $54K he's asking now. Huh? $47K was too much but $54K? There are a lot if I was willing to take it in the shorts on price. They can't possibly command that premium.
I have seen all the cars you mentioned, and maybe more. Part of my problem is I won't buy red (personal reasons and there are a lot of red RSA's to be had) and I really can't buy black because of where I live (middle of the Mojave desert). That leaves white, blue or Silver (my favorite).
Anyway, I'm trying to negotiate on the parcel shelf to bring it back to original shape. I need an estimate for repair. I agree, stock will hold it's value more.
The car does have the door jamb plate with regard to speedo change.
The stories I could tell about dealing with a broker long distance on a car like this. Never again!