Need Tires - Thoughts
#31
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I agree, I liked RS4s when I used them on my M3. Almost as much grip as RE71Rs but lasted much longer. I might go back to them after the PS4S.
I also have issues with RE71Rs getting overheated and greasy about 2/3 way through a session, and don't recall having that issue with RS4s (or NT01s). Others seem not to have that problem, and I'm not sure what's different between my driving style and theirs, or if my tire pressure gauge us lying to me.
I also have issues with RE71Rs getting overheated and greasy about 2/3 way through a session, and don't recall having that issue with RS4s (or NT01s). Others seem not to have that problem, and I'm not sure what's different between my driving style and theirs, or if my tire pressure gauge us lying to me.
#32
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#34
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So, here's my read on the tires. I don't like the profile and look of the RE71R on these cars... it's got a more rounded shoulder and the rim protector lip sort of accentuates that.
Now, to be fair, the NITTO have this awesome square shoulder/profile that just look "meaty" And, I did also slightly downsize the size, which will exaggerate that just a bit. I went with a 225/265 which is very very slightly (not visually) shorter, but more, it's a little narrower. The reason I went with the narrower profile was a tick more room up front, at full lock it will rub a bit, and, at full compression in corner it MAY kiss the fender liner. Thats the downside of a very aggressive alignment and tire profile.
I put a 5mm spacer F/R and it helps push it out closer to where it was, and will help a bit more with the inside rub I was getting on front end. Or should I say "kiss" :-)
I could have kept a 275 out back, but wanted to keep the same balance...The shop has a 964 with 275/235 RE71R on it, with a much higher ride height and much less aggressive alignment so it's really hard to get a read but the shoulder is a little more blocky, but still does't have that look of the Nitto.
Anyway, so, on LOOKS ALONE, I'm kinda meh on these, the Nitto looks just badass.
Will drive them next week getting a couple other things done on the car.
The lesson: you NEVER know how tires will fit, until you fit them. The specs don't mean much... other than a guideline.
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911Jetta (03-11-2020)
#36
For what it's worth I run 225/255 RE71Rs on my track car. I haven't run into the getting too greasy issue (outside of expected decline on a hot track here in Houston) that's been any worse than any other tire I've driven.
I really like how they perform, very predictable, and are pretty consistent through their life. I race a Miata on RS4s and they were pretty good, but seemed to fall off quicker as the day wore on.
For a mostly street car, I don't think there's really a world of difference between the majority of the popular tires. I'd say go with the 80% solution, the tire that fits the bill 80% of the time. That's how I ended up with the RE71R, the car spends 80% of the time on the track and the tires fit the bill.
Just my $.02
I really like how they perform, very predictable, and are pretty consistent through their life. I race a Miata on RS4s and they were pretty good, but seemed to fall off quicker as the day wore on.
For a mostly street car, I don't think there's really a world of difference between the majority of the popular tires. I'd say go with the 80% solution, the tire that fits the bill 80% of the time. That's how I ended up with the RE71R, the car spends 80% of the time on the track and the tires fit the bill.
Just my $.02
#37
I love the A050 and if you can afford them the A052. The a052 is the only quiet tire that really really grips - but wears quick due to shallow grooving. I went through a set in a year with local mountain roads and a few trips to the track. It’s the ultimate dual purpose tire available in japan.
The 050 lasts longer- deeper tread and is the tire of choice for track. does get louder as the grooves get worn.
Too bad these options are not so available out that way.
The 050 lasts longer- deeper tread and is the tire of choice for track. does get louder as the grooves get worn.
Too bad these options are not so available out that way.
#38
I run Cup 2's on my 964. Its quite a good tyre but goes off a lot quicker than the original Cups. OK for 5- 6 laps on circuit at 10/10ths but on the road I find them fine in all conditions. I ran 225 265 prior to changing to Tarret rear spring plates but they make so much difference to settling the reat of the car after turn in that i'll drop to 255 on the next set. Unless its a racing car, If a chassis is well sorted, i'm a great beliver in slightly under tyreing- especially 911's. They always feel so much more delicate
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911Jetta (03-13-2020)
#39
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Falken Azenis RT660
Anyone have any experience/thoughts on the new Azenis RT660 (look like RE-71R and Direzza ZIII)? Thinking about these for my set of tires, and the review on other cars seem pretty positive.
#40
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I run Cup 2's on my 964. Its quite a good tyre but goes off a lot quicker than the original Cups. OK for 5- 6 laps on circuit at 10/10ths but on the road I find them fine in all conditions. I ran 225 265 prior to changing to Tarret rear spring plates but they make so much difference to settling the reat of the car after turn in that i'll drop to 255 on the next set. Unless its a racing car, If a chassis is well sorted, i'm a great beliver in slightly under tyreing- especially 911's. They always feel so much more delicate
Its an interesting point, I haven't driven the car yet as I'm getting a few things done.
Being vain, the NT01 look better. I suppose driving, its better with the RE71R and likely 0 difference in feel 225/265 to 235/275. I am interested to feel the car as the front end is SO good, but the rear on these, with the 993 made major changes to keep up with the front. I could easily slide the car with my previous setup. Almost wondering if a 225/275 may balance car better.
We'll see after driving it some. Wet here this week in los angeles.
#41
Three Wheelin'
A blast from the past - back 20 years ago when I was running autocrosses in SCCA A Stock on 16" wheels, I really liked the way the car handled on Hoosiers, 225/50 - 245/45.
#42
Tires
I run a 997.2. This is my first post. My first track days were with Michelin 4S. Just amazing tires, that hit every sweet spot given today's technology. Well as my car has become more track focused, I tried Nitto-01s. My times didn't improve as much as I expected, but they wore well and remained predictable. On the advice of my mechanic, I replaced the Nittos with Toyo R888Rs. Now some caveats. I'm not real experienced but I have lots of laps, 3 DEs and I belong to a track. I really screwed up and didn't let out some air before I went on track. Well, the Toyos never felt good. I realized my error and got the pressure down to around 33-34 hot. They still felt greasy. We've had so much rain, the track was damp, but I was very underwhelmed by the R888Rs. I thought the Nittos were great and remain amazed at how well Michelin can make a do-everything tire, that competes well with focused products. I will either go to their Pilot Sport Cups next time or go all in on Hoosier R7s.