What's my 964 worth? Trying to determine asking price.
12-30-2019, 11:33 PM
#1
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What's my 964 worth? Trying to determine asking price.
The car has been sold to a dealer. Thanks.
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12-31-2019, 06:27 AM
#3
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$30,000 sounds about right , ABS module and I can already see a few thousand of things I’d want to do. The 1989 go for the least amount, highest one sold on BaT had 40K miles so half the miles and was in close to perfect condition and sold for $43-$44K a couple of months ago.
12-31-2019, 06:52 AM
#5
I think you can do much better than $30k, the miles are a turn off to most anyone as is the early production number. Motor may be great now but still has 100k miles on it; you didn't mention anything about suspension/brakes etc. Paint/wheels/interior look great and for someone looking to get into a 964 and go, this makes sense closer to $40k. Pretty hard to get into one for less than that these days unless a cab or tip and even Singer is paying that for a clean shell. I would think there should be a premium given your reputation; if I were looking to buy a C4 I would rather get one from you than take my chances elsewhere, even if you didn't build the motor.
12-31-2019, 11:22 AM
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I think you can do much better than $30k, the miles are a turn off to most anyone as is the early production number. Motor may be great now but still has 100k miles on it; you didn't mention anything about suspension/brakes etc. Paint/wheels/interior look great and for someone looking to get into a 964 and go, this makes sense closer to $40k. Pretty hard to get into one for less than that these days unless a cab or tip and even Singer is paying that for a clean shell. I would think there should be a premium given your reputation; if I were looking to buy a C4 I would rather get one from you than take my chances elsewhere, even if you didn't build the motor.
I suppose my best bet is to sell it to the dealer, who is giving me a good price based on what some of your estimates have been thus far. Appreciate your honesty.
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12-31-2019, 11:57 AM
#8
See, there’s the problem.. My reputation shouldn’t make any input on this sale. I develop, and build engines. I do t restore cars. I didn’t build the engine in this car, so the sale needs to be considered like anyone else that would own the car.
I suppose my best bet is to sell it to the dealer, who is giving me a good price based on what some of your estimates have been thus far. Appreciate your honesty.
I suppose my best bet is to sell it to the dealer, who is giving me a good price based on what some of your estimates have been thus far. Appreciate your honesty.
Anyway, I wouldn't just let the car go to the dealer in my opinion. I would put it on BAT. Look at auction data, it seems these cars (even C4) are worth upwards $50K, not in the 30s as some have posted. I guess the high miles might have an impact, but I wouldn't sweat over the HVAC switch and ABS module. If I was a potential buyer, that wouldn't stop me. What I'm seeing is a beautiful car that is cosmetically better inside and out than most I've seen for sale. I just recently read a thread were a guy spent over $8,000 in a window-out paint job for his old aircooled 911. And, there was no body work needed, just a re-paint. But I believe they sanded it down to the primer.
These cars are good investments at the moment based on sales numbers. I would imagine they'll be worth a whole lot more down the road. And so, if you don't want to fool with the dealer, I'm happy to trade you even for my 996. (You can stop laughing now!)
Seriously, I'd be interested in trading for some difference. But I understand if you want to go a different path.I'm not denying these are bringing a serious coin... here is one of many examples I found on BAT for a '89 964 C4.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-carrera-4-23/
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12-31-2019, 01:11 PM
#9
Burning Brakes
beautiful 964. Even with the miles - you did so much great time consuming and costly work to the car. Its like new from the photos and will go another 200k miles. buyer could send the CCU to Tore and source a used/rebuilt ABS module. The motor needs to be dropped eventually but they all do even low mile cars. around 50k +/- all day.
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12-31-2019, 01:40 PM
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I heard you were about to liquidate your aircooled Porsche collection. I saw a video on YouTube where some guy was interviewing you and taking a tour of your collection in a warehouse. Amazing! I would be a liar if I said I wasn't a little jealous. Interesting that you're keeping the 912E. I assume it's because of it's uniqueness.
Anyway, I wouldn't just let the car go to the dealer in my opinion. I would put it on BAT. Look at auction data, it seems these cars (even C4) are worth upwards $50K, not in the 30s as some have posted. I guess the high miles might have an impact, but I wouldn't sweat over the HVAC switch and ABS module. If I was a potential buyer, that wouldn't stop me. What I'm seeing is a beautiful car that is cosmetically better inside and out than most I've seen for sale. I just recently read a thread were a guy spent over $8,000 in a window-out paint job for his old aircooled 911. And, there was no body work needed, just a re-paint. But I believe they sanded it down to the primer.
These cars are good investments at the moment based on sales numbers. I would imagine they'll be worth a whole lot more down the road. And so, if you don't want to fool with the dealer, I'm happy to trade you even for my 996. (You can stop laughing now!) Seriously, I'd be interested in trading for some difference. But I understand if you want to go a different path.
I'm not denying these are bringing a serious coin... here is one of many examples I found on BAT for a '89 964 C4.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-carrera-4-23/
Anyway, I wouldn't just let the car go to the dealer in my opinion. I would put it on BAT. Look at auction data, it seems these cars (even C4) are worth upwards $50K, not in the 30s as some have posted. I guess the high miles might have an impact, but I wouldn't sweat over the HVAC switch and ABS module. If I was a potential buyer, that wouldn't stop me. What I'm seeing is a beautiful car that is cosmetically better inside and out than most I've seen for sale. I just recently read a thread were a guy spent over $8,000 in a window-out paint job for his old aircooled 911. And, there was no body work needed, just a re-paint. But I believe they sanded it down to the primer.
These cars are good investments at the moment based on sales numbers. I would imagine they'll be worth a whole lot more down the road. And so, if you don't want to fool with the dealer, I'm happy to trade you even for my 996. (You can stop laughing now!)
Seriously, I'd be interested in trading for some difference. But I understand if you want to go a different path.I'm not denying these are bringing a serious coin... here is one of many examples I found on BAT for a '89 964 C4.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-carrera-4-23/
12-31-2019, 04:55 PM
#11
Great looking car. BAT is the way to go. I would think that most reputation issues, and certainly all liability issues, are taken care of by the clearly stated (and contractual) 'buyer beware' nature of a BAT auction. Whereas selling the car outside of an auction would expose you to more liability? Of course, you always have the risk of someone not understanding the nature of an auction, but that's BAT's problem not yours. And your very honest way of addressing the car and it's known flaws would inspire confidence bidding. And since everyone is guessing, my two cents is low $50's on BAT with the quality paint, interior, and records. I haven't seen a 964 coupe with manual sell for less than $40k in years.
12-31-2019, 05:33 PM
#12
I understand your hesitation about not being able to pick your buyer on BaT. I think advertising it in a couple places with a reasonable but higher price would be the best way for you to choose your buyer and sale price. If you sold this car for $30 or $40k it would be relisted as a flip the next week. Which might be fine as thats what the dealer will do.
There is probably a good balance to be had between "premium" price and low friction sale. Get an independent PPI done and post the results. If it all checks out except the 2 items you list, ask $49k. If you have an interest, I'd post the car for sale at a premium price and offer to build the buyer an engine at a reasonable rate. If the car is a no problems, clean, well maintained car, the right buyer is out there that won't care about the miles.
People may complain this price is high. but find a documented, not crashed, cared for 964 hard top that isn't red or black for under $50k.
There is probably a good balance to be had between "premium" price and low friction sale. Get an independent PPI done and post the results. If it all checks out except the 2 items you list, ask $49k. If you have an interest, I'd post the car for sale at a premium price and offer to build the buyer an engine at a reasonable rate. If the car is a no problems, clean, well maintained car, the right buyer is out there that won't care about the miles.
People may complain this price is high. but find a documented, not crashed, cared for 964 hard top that isn't red or black for under $50k.
12-31-2019, 06:31 PM
#13
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Great looking car. BAT is the way to go. I would think that most reputation issues, and certainly all liability issues, are taken care of by the clearly stated (and contractual) 'buyer beware' nature of a BAT auction. Whereas selling the car outside of an auction would expose you to more liability? Of course, you always have the risk of someone not understanding the nature of an auction, but that's BAT's problem not yours. And your very honest way of addressing the car and it's known flaws would inspire confidence bidding. And since everyone is guessing, my two cents is low $50's on BAT with the quality paint, interior, and records. I haven't seen a 964 coupe with manual sell for less than $40k in years.
BaT was absolutely worthless in regard to settling the issue. I was tied in on all those emails too, and they basically threw their hands up and had no resolution assistance of any value.
The seller had to refund the money in full, and the car was 2,000 miles away. He was facing the cost of shipping it back, so I connected him with my Certified Installer 400 miles away, and had the car shipped there. He then had to re- market the car, and sell it from the Certified Installer's shop. He lost 10K bucks all in all.
I have absolutely zero tolerance for complications with humans. Zero. I hate whiners, and I hate "disappointment". The only thing worse is someone who pays top dollar, and cannot be pleased that tops it all off by saying "I paid XXX for this, and.......". That's the icing on the cake for all problems.
Anyway, having seen this happen first hand with Bat, and a Porsche sale, I would avoid that like the plague, and leave good money on the table to do so. I can make more money, but I have only one reputation, and it only takes one whiner to kill it.
I do things so 20th Century that I'd want a buyer to see this car, drive it, and then take a day to sleep on it before taking their deposit. I am actually wondering what kind of marketing write off I could get for my Rennvision channel if I crushed the car with one or two of my tanks, and shared it. Imagine the people that would **** off! Seriously, I think my best bet is selling it to the dealer, and letting him make the money. My requirement to him is that it is never disclosed that I owned the vehicle, and he has yet to agree to that. That could blow the deal up.
12-31-2019, 08:25 PM
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