17" tire weights ... something else to consider
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I have the regular Pilots and love them. I have S03s on the TT and would rather have the Pilots.
There was a test recently on the Tire Rack site of the Pilot 2s and they stomped everything in track times and etc. I belive the S03s were second in dry conditions with the F1s in third. They did not compare the regular Pilots in this test. I know Viken strongly recomends the Pilot ribs or the Pilot 2s. The GT3, according to another thread, uses the Pilot 2s from the factory.
There was a test recently on the Tire Rack site of the Pilot 2s and they stomped everything in track times and etc. I belive the S03s were second in dry conditions with the F1s in third. They did not compare the regular Pilots in this test. I know Viken strongly recomends the Pilot ribs or the Pilot 2s. The GT3, according to another thread, uses the Pilot 2s from the factory.
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Maybe this will help save some time.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ilot+Sport+PS2
Here are the tes results.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...eMake=Michelin
Full test graphs.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...nextGen_c.html
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....ilot+Sport+PS2
Here are the tes results.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...eMake=Michelin
Full test graphs.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...nextGen_c.html
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In the UK, I have been told that the Pilot 2's are not available in the correct sizes for people who use 17inch wheels.
Apparently the Pilot 2's are a whole kettle of fish compared to the Pilots in terms of performance.....
I am looking at SO3's or F1's next time I need 4 tyres. In the meantime I will stick with my porky 712's.
Apparently the Pilot 2's are a whole kettle of fish compared to the Pilots in terms of performance.....
I am looking at SO3's or F1's next time I need 4 tyres. In the meantime I will stick with my porky 712's.
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Goodyear F1 GSD3 weights
Here is the reply I got from Goodyear:
"Sent by: Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company Consumer Relations 728 1144 East
Market Street Akron, OH 44316 Voice #: 800.321.2136 Fax #:
330.796.6829
Thank you for contacting the Goodyear website.
The following is the weight of the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3 in the sizes you
requested.
Size Weight (lbs.)
P205/50R17 22.4
P225/45R17 23.2
P235/45R17 25.8
P245/45R17 25.6
P255/40R17 26.3
P275/40R17 27.0
If you have any more questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
at 1-800-321-2136 between the hours of 8:00am and 5:00pm EST.
Regards,
Mary
Consumer Relations Representative"
Thank you, Mary!
So comparing these to Joey's original chart, the tires are lighter than most but about 8-10 oz./tire heavier than the Toyos in each size.
I (personally) have no idea if such a weight difference, approx. 3 pounds total incl. all 4 wheels, is an issue even for driver who are far more advanced than I am! But I would be interested in knowing if anyone has compared them head:head for grip, etc.
Hope this helps.
See next post. J
"Sent by: Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company Consumer Relations 728 1144 East
Market Street Akron, OH 44316 Voice #: 800.321.2136 Fax #:
330.796.6829
Thank you for contacting the Goodyear website.
The following is the weight of the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3 in the sizes you
requested.
Size Weight (lbs.)
P205/50R17 22.4
P225/45R17 23.2
P235/45R17 25.8
P245/45R17 25.6
P255/40R17 26.3
P275/40R17 27.0
If you have any more questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us
at 1-800-321-2136 between the hours of 8:00am and 5:00pm EST.
Regards,
Mary
Consumer Relations Representative"
Thank you, Mary!
So comparing these to Joey's original chart, the tires are lighter than most but about 8-10 oz./tire heavier than the Toyos in each size.
I (personally) have no idea if such a weight difference, approx. 3 pounds total incl. all 4 wheels, is an issue even for driver who are far more advanced than I am! But I would be interested in knowing if anyone has compared them head:head for grip, etc.
Hope this helps.
See next post. J
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I know they are hardly Performance oriented, but Consumer Reports recently did a head:head comparison of a number of "ultra-high performance tires" including:
1. Eagle F1 GSD3
2. Toyo Proxes T1-S
3. Michelin Pilot Sport
4. Pirelli P-Zero Nero
5. Bridgestone S-03
6. Yoko AVS ES100
7. Kumho 712
as well as several others that we haven't mentioned. They tested 17-inch tires on an SVT Focus so YMMV! They tested for Braking, Handling (obstacle avoidance, cf: offset slalom), cornering (skid pad) in both wet and dry conditions. I'll post specific info if folks want it, or PM me, but it's in the November '03 CR.
The overall scoring places the tires in the order I listed them in above, with the Goodyear and Toyo listed as "Excellent" and all the others rated, to varying degrees, as "very good."
I wish they'd have done the S-02s! J
1. Eagle F1 GSD3
2. Toyo Proxes T1-S
3. Michelin Pilot Sport
4. Pirelli P-Zero Nero
5. Bridgestone S-03
6. Yoko AVS ES100
7. Kumho 712
as well as several others that we haven't mentioned. They tested 17-inch tires on an SVT Focus so YMMV! They tested for Braking, Handling (obstacle avoidance, cf: offset slalom), cornering (skid pad) in both wet and dry conditions. I'll post specific info if folks want it, or PM me, but it's in the November '03 CR.
The overall scoring places the tires in the order I listed them in above, with the Goodyear and Toyo listed as "Excellent" and all the others rated, to varying degrees, as "very good."
I wish they'd have done the S-02s! J
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Yeah, but they use price heavily in their equiation and they also use long term use or wear issues. A better perfoming tire will wear quickly and score low with the Consuder Reprt studies.
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Updated chart (thanks JoeW!)
I also added the Kumho MX's which, as previously mentioned, are middle of the pack along with the F1's. The MX's go for $500/set, so I'd say they take the prize for value choice.
As for the performance choice, IMHO, I don't think you can go wrong with either the Toyo's or F1's. I know jbotx saw a dramatic difference when going to the F1's but I would imagine that swapping out old tires for state of the art rubber will usually provide that impression (someone, tell me if I'm wrong).
Thanks for playing.
I also added the Kumho MX's which, as previously mentioned, are middle of the pack along with the F1's. The MX's go for $500/set, so I'd say they take the prize for value choice.
As for the performance choice, IMHO, I don't think you can go wrong with either the Toyo's or F1's. I know jbotx saw a dramatic difference when going to the F1's but I would imagine that swapping out old tires for state of the art rubber will usually provide that impression (someone, tell me if I'm wrong).
Thanks for playing.
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Originally posted by Doug H
Yeah, but they use price heavily in their equiation and they also use long term use or wear issues. A better perfoming tire will wear quickly and score low with the Consuder Reprt studies.
Yeah, but they use price heavily in their equiation and they also use long term use or wear issues. A better perfoming tire will wear quickly and score low with the Consuder Reprt studies.