Jbarnes RS

Great advice. 964 RS a way better driving experience.

Singer is what it is.....A great marketing company.

ipse dixit

And Porsche is a better one.

misterbeverlyhills

Best to call Rob at Singer and see if there are any other owners willing to sell. There is a special web site reserved for owners and many cars are traded there, but Rob will know of any that are coming up. Saves time and all cars are in excellent condition obviously. But you get someone else's dream, if it fits yours, so much the better, but for the money, waiting a year to get your own special build might be a better option.
I have been through the Singer assembly line, it is quite remarkable, the attention to detail would make Porsche proud. In fact, Porsche sued Singer to have their name removed from the cars, once the factory rep saw an actual car, they dropped the suit. Tells you something.
Speaking personally, seeing as you asked, I would be a little nervous driving a finished Singer to anything other than a car show. They trade hands on average at a %30 premium from original price. It was bad enough for me at my last track day; short shifting, waving pretty much everyone past, babying the car, and I bought it for $15k! As I get older and the car goes up in value, I seem to be getting slower.

But if you have the ******, the cars are fantastic and must be an awesome drive in anger.

Marine Blue

GeorgeK

Find an RS, Have it restored entirely. Thank us later.
Of course, it is a matter of opinion, and we'd be interested in the process anyway.

cobalt

So you're saying you're spending nearly $700k on speaker horns?? I consider myself a long time audiophile and I am at a loss. I have seen people spend half that much on a full system with dedicated room and power but even that wasn't worth the money spent IMO over a system costing considerably less.

I am in the camp of the Singer being the emperors new cloths syndrome. The craftsmanship is very nice but engines and suspensions are what IMO is worth spending the money on, the rest I see no need for and I am not a fan on the overall looks. I prefer a Wide body 964 over the pseudo back date. At the end of the day it is still based on the heart and soul of a 964 and you can achieve the same end result and still have it look like a 964 which IMO is a better looking vehicle with classic lines.

A well maintained 964 is a trouble free car. If you don't have a donor car yet I think you will find it isn't as easy to find one as you think. What is left of the few thousand US Spec cars that remain are either basket cases Singer won't touch or the more pristine examples which is probably one of the most highly sought after air-cooled 911's there is.

I wish you luck it is your money so spend it as you like I just will never have the appreciation for these as I would a 3.8RS or 3.6RS which are more desirable IMO.

JohnK964

HDA

Another one here who would go for a Porsche limited run car (RS, GT, etc) vs. a Singer. The reason why is that those cars would allow me to travel back in history, they are a piece of the brand history that will never come back and feel special with all their outdated technologies. They represent Porsche vision in those years.

And if there is one thing you can't buy with any type money is time, and I value that. Stupid things like knowing it went through the assembly plant in 1994 and nobody touched it in 24 years is what makes me excited. I know, pathetic.

And it's very subjective and none of us is right

Marine Blue

Jbarnes RS

I know of a Rubystone 964 RS. Fully restored and sorted. It will look and drive like new.

Put it next to a singer in any parking lot and see the reaction.

Go drive it against a singer on a twisty road or race track. Singer will not out perform it.

The 964 RS does it all as good as any Porsche ever built. Singer not so much. Car is sexy but like most sexy things in life lacks substance.

HDA

But it's more than just performance! I don't care about that, I'm driving a Rubistone RS! Holy ****!

Y'all can be faster I'm in a RS!

Vandit

Maybe ask the Carrera GT subforum. There's ballers on there who have a CGT, a Singer, and other pretty things in their garage.

azander

The Singer thing is a fad. For that money (plus providing a decent donor car) I think you should get a mint 964 RS, hell, maybe a 993 RS too.

Lot of great examples in Japan. Thomas Shmitz (no affiliation) always has some mint examples.

Jbarnes RS

If you are stuck on a Singer I would do a mint green car and ask for a discount to leave all the fancy crap off it. Lighten it up and have someone else do the suspension set up like Rothsport or Canepa. Also needs a shorter gear box and different wheels and tires. That would be a proper Siger. Call it an RS version.

jgj

In terms of rarity, I'll warrant that there will be more Singers on the road than 964 RSs in short order. I don't believe Porsche built significantly more than 2,000 RSs. They'll be the motoring equivalent of "unobtainium" long before any Singer.