Notices
964 Forum 1989-1994
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Rear jack point?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-25-2017, 12:12 PM
  #16  
dlpalumbo
Racer
 
dlpalumbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: S. E., VA USA
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Andrew, Do you have a source for lift bars?

Thanks,

Dan
Old 09-25-2017, 12:23 PM
  #17  
964Andrew
Rennlist Member
 
964Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,043
Received 84 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

http://liftbars.com/
Old 09-25-2017, 12:28 PM
  #18  
964Andrew
Rennlist Member
 
964Andrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,043
Received 84 Likes on 48 Posts
Default

I just got the ends and had local shop weld the middle sections. It was less than $100 3 years ago. I see the prices now are much more.

Thanks!
Andrew
Old 09-25-2017, 03:46 PM
  #19  
ffc
Racer
 
ffc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 311
Received 23 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

I use home made bars or rather home made jack point supports that fit over box steel.




I also have hydraulic ramps for higher lift at one end when required.





Neither solution is perfect but I have to work outdoors so a proper lift isn't an option.
Old 09-25-2017, 08:33 PM
  #20  
eddieb4
Rennlist Member
 
eddieb4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,771
Received 200 Likes on 118 Posts
Default

I just ordered one of these ... I'll let you know how it works. Looks good though.

http://www.stuttgart-classica.co.uk/.../jacking-point
Old 09-26-2017, 09:30 AM
  #21  
dlpalumbo
Racer
 
dlpalumbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: S. E., VA USA
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ffc
I use home made bars or rather home made jack point supports that fit over box steel.




I also have hydraulic ramps for higher lift at one end when required.





Neither solution is perfect but I have to work outdoors so a proper lift isn't an option.
What's the spec on the steel tube? Does it bend much when jacking? I ask because it appears the liftbar folks reinforce their bar.
Old 09-26-2017, 05:28 PM
  #22  
ffc
Racer
 
ffc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 311
Received 23 Likes on 19 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by dlpalumbo
What's the spec on the steel tube? Does it bend much when jacking? I ask because it appears the liftbar folks reinforce their bar.
It is steel box section 50mm x 50mm x 5mm. It doesn't bend at all and weighs quite a lot. Bought quite cheaply on Ebay.
Old 09-27-2017, 08:10 PM
  #23  
Streetdaddy
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
Streetdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 982
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ffc
It is steel box section 50mm x 50mm x 5mm. It doesn't bend at all and weighs quite a lot. Bought quite cheaply on Ebay.
i started to jack it up by the engine and got scared. Started thinking oil was going to start spewing everywere! Lol
Old 09-28-2017, 11:59 AM
  #24  
dlpalumbo
Racer
 
dlpalumbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: S. E., VA USA
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

These cars tend to induce high sphincter factors.
Old 09-28-2017, 12:05 PM
  #25  
eddieb4
Rennlist Member
 
eddieb4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,771
Received 200 Likes on 118 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 911Jetta
That's fine. I use a hockey puck (not my picture)

Lift it up high, then place the jack stands under the lift support on the body in front of the rear wheels.

This attaches to the engine cradle.
Attached Images  
Old 09-28-2017, 12:28 PM
  #26  
TJ993
Banned
 
TJ993's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 1,201
Received 31 Likes on 30 Posts
Default

IS This not a hockey puck, but wider ?
Old 09-28-2017, 10:58 PM
  #27  
Derek911
Rennlist Member
 
Derek911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 400
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

The 964 is not unique... People have been using the case to lift the rear of air cooled 911's for decades and I can not recall reading anything about damage or a case separating or oil leaks. It's not impossible that something can happen, but the evidence over the years proves that there is no harm. In fact, case leaks are rare when compared to all the other leaks.
Instead of a hockey puck, I was told to use something that can form to the case and protect it like folded newspaper, paper bags, or heavy rags.
Some are skeptical about using wood across the front pan, but again, the proof is in the pudding and no damage has been reported.
I use the "Cactus Method" to lift mine. Named after someone who wrote up a DYI for lifting a 964/963 and it works perfectly... Especially if your car is lowered.
Old 09-28-2017, 11:19 PM
  #28  
John McM
Rennlist Member
 
John McM's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand.
Posts: 13,305
Received 647 Likes on 375 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Derek911
The 964 is not unique... People have been using the case to lift the rear of air cooled 911's for decades and I can not recall reading anything about damage or a case separating or oil leaks. It's not impossible that something can happen, but the evidence over the years proves that there is no harm. In fact, case leaks are rare when compared to all the other leaks.
Instead of a hockey puck, I was told to use something that can form to the case and protect it like folded newspaper, paper bags, or heavy rags.
Some are skeptical about using wood across the front pan, but again, the proof is in the pudding and no damage has been reported.
I use the "Cactus Method" to lift mine. Named after someone who wrote up a DYI for lifting a 964/963 and it works perfectly... Especially if your car is lowered.
+964

I lift my car from the engine case and use the Cactus method as well. The case is solid and has more than enough studs to hold it all together.

BTW: I can understand the reticence for a first timer, but 5 minutes watching a race crew with these cars will show you what works and they are experienced people.

Last edited by John McM; 09-29-2017 at 12:10 AM.
Old 09-28-2017, 11:37 PM
  #29  
dlpalumbo
Racer
 
dlpalumbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: S. E., VA USA
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Then why does owners manual say not to do it? I can see it being the quickest way to get the rear end up. I can also see it being difficult to trace any problem with engine to case lifts as there may be a subtle connection and not a concern for a race team who rebuilds the engine every season.

I did used the engine for a few lifts and hated every one. The mechanics just dont look right to me.

Let me ask you this, would you start the engine while car is lifted by case? Not me.

/
Old 09-29-2017, 12:29 AM
  #30  
John McM
Rennlist Member
 
John McM's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Auckland, New Zealand.
Posts: 13,305
Received 647 Likes on 375 Posts
Default

I am away from my car so don't have the owners manual in front of me. I do however have the workshop manual on my phone.

If we take that literally, if you can't use the jacking points to complete work then don't do the work.

The same manual shows the Porsche tool for supporting the 350kg engine and transmission assembly when removing it. It's the same point we are talking about here.
Attached Images   


Quick Reply: Rear jack point?



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 01:00 AM.