GT3 brake conversion
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Great input all. I have no proportioning valve, but a brake bias adjuster. It only locks up in front.
On the brake testing rolls , if that is the word, i have brakepower on all wheels.
I use Pirelli Teofeo R, 235 front and 265 rear. I'm shortly upgrading to BBS E88 with 265/285.
On the brake testing rolls , if that is the word, i have brakepower on all wheels.
I use Pirelli Teofeo R, 235 front and 265 rear. I'm shortly upgrading to BBS E88 with 265/285.
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EFR 6758, with Turbosmart internal wastgate and blow off valve, managed by an eboost2.
it wasn't easy but I think it's space enough to fit a 7163. But then again I don't use balance shaft any more and had the base of that balance shaft housing grinded off.
it wasn't easy but I think it's space enough to fit a 7163. But then again I don't use balance shaft any more and had the base of that balance shaft housing grinded off.
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When I put GT3 MKII 6 piston brakes on my 996 C2 I eventually replaced the C2 master cylinder with a GT3 master cylinder and GT3 brake booster in order to increase the brake force required at the pedal. Aka that gave me a better firm feel at the pedal suitable for Heel & Toe wheras the C2 Master Cylinder felt softer and more like a long travel street car pedal. There was no bias valve in that setup but there was ABS. So now I have to stand on the brake harder to slow the car down - this is not something that feels bad at the track, on the contrary it felt perfect.
As others have said more tyre/fresh tyres will help.
Great looking car by the way
As others have said more tyre/fresh tyres will help.
Great looking car by the way
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Thank you for all kind & helpful answers.
I think I need to make an summary of my problems.
The car,
- cornerbalanced, thoroughly
- weight 1040 kg
- somewhere in the bollpark of 400 bhp
- GT3 996 Mk1 brakes and rotors
- 968 master brake cylinder, even had it changed to a new one
- no abs
- new Pirelli Trofeo R 235 & 265, maybe a bit to the narrow side
- ap brake bias adjuster
The pedal is very firm and does not travel far.
With my E46 M3, with Boxter S brakes and Pagid pads, I can brake from 200 to nill 80 (!) meters later than with the 944. And that with the exact same tyre setup, but with a car that weighs 400 kg more.
With my 964RS (European spec) I can break even ~30 meters later than with the M3. This car weighs 100 kg more an has 225 /265. It has Big reds and Pagid
I dont think the big issue is the tyre size for the scenario above, but I do think it will be better with wider tyres.
Today I will try to bypass the bias adjuster and test it on the track tomorrow.
Fingers crossed, hopefully it will help. I'll keep you posted.
I think I need to make an summary of my problems.
The car,
- cornerbalanced, thoroughly
- weight 1040 kg
- somewhere in the bollpark of 400 bhp
- GT3 996 Mk1 brakes and rotors
- 968 master brake cylinder, even had it changed to a new one
- no abs
- new Pirelli Trofeo R 235 & 265, maybe a bit to the narrow side
- ap brake bias adjuster
The pedal is very firm and does not travel far.
With my E46 M3, with Boxter S brakes and Pagid pads, I can brake from 200 to nill 80 (!) meters later than with the 944. And that with the exact same tyre setup, but with a car that weighs 400 kg more.
With my 964RS (European spec) I can break even ~30 meters later than with the M3. This car weighs 100 kg more an has 225 /265. It has Big reds and Pagid
I dont think the big issue is the tyre size for the scenario above, but I do think it will be better with wider tyres.
Today I will try to bypass the bias adjuster and test it on the track tomorrow.
Fingers crossed, hopefully it will help. I'll keep you posted.
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Stunning car!!! love your work come to New York make millions start with my car as a show case use my garage
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Got it!
Bypassed the bias valve and that did it. Went out on the road, pressed the pedal and bang, I did almost hit the steering wheel with my forehead.
So a faulty brake bias valve.
Special thank's to Darryl H that conformed thet th configuration is working on a 944.
Thanks to all of you for helpful answers.
Tomorrow is testday and hopefully it will all work. I will report back later tomorrow, Swedish time.
@Mike, this project made me promise to never do it again. Had some god help and we did in four months. I bougth the car as on the pictures, a good friend of mupine build the car for racing in 2004. He won a series of races. But 2010 he sold the car and the new owner almost didn't used the car and parked it in a boat garage for couple of yers. Engine was built on a new block and massaged for big money - to 203 hp.
So there was no need for any updates on chassie or body but the engine - jeezus it was seriously slow.
A turboengine was located and bougth, but unfortunately it was in a very bad shape.
We made plans for the project,
- forged pistons from JE,
- Forged conrods
- steel sleved cylinders
- machined crak
- on off design camshaft
- mecanical lifters
- borg warner efr 6758 munted on the exhaust
- Turbosmart boost control
- S2 gearbox
- new exractor and exhaust, own design
- and more, much more.
Finally, I actually got married in New York
Bypassed the bias valve and that did it. Went out on the road, pressed the pedal and bang, I did almost hit the steering wheel with my forehead.
So a faulty brake bias valve.
Special thank's to Darryl H that conformed thet th configuration is working on a 944.
Thanks to all of you for helpful answers.
Tomorrow is testday and hopefully it will all work. I will report back later tomorrow, Swedish time.
@Mike, this project made me promise to never do it again. Had some god help and we did in four months. I bougth the car as on the pictures, a good friend of mupine build the car for racing in 2004. He won a series of races. But 2010 he sold the car and the new owner almost didn't used the car and parked it in a boat garage for couple of yers. Engine was built on a new block and massaged for big money - to 203 hp.
So there was no need for any updates on chassie or body but the engine - jeezus it was seriously slow.
A turboengine was located and bougth, but unfortunately it was in a very bad shape.
We made plans for the project,
- forged pistons from JE,
- Forged conrods
- steel sleved cylinders
- machined crak
- on off design camshaft
- mecanical lifters
- borg warner efr 6758 munted on the exhaust
- Turbosmart boost control
- S2 gearbox
- new exractor and exhaust, own design
- and more, much more.
Finally, I actually got married in New York
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So today I did some testruns on the track. It was absolutely stunning. I could brake extremly late and it had stoppower beyond my wildest fantasies. I could even get my hands off the steering wheel in 200kph, brake hard and it did it in a straight line.
I'm so happy now.
Thank you all!
I'm so happy now.
Thank you all!
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Sorry for not getting back sooner! But yes u believe it is the master cylinder from the 7series James Bond had
I'm glad it looks like you have solved the issue!!
edit: I've also got an S2 box on my turbo and can confirm it feels great on track
I'm glad it looks like you have solved the issue!!
edit: I've also got an S2 box on my turbo and can confirm it feels great on track