Bolt on Garrett or New Tech?
#16
There's also opinions that the #8 hot side is a mismatch for the T04 compressor, like you say it needs to be run to decide really.
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#17
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Again, I let Lindsey spec the size for me. Hopefully this winter I can get it on the dyno!
#18
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The t04e 50 trim garrett w/stage 3 turbine seems like the most liked 'older' new turbo. The GTX30 looks awesome, but expensive to fit and likes more rpm and psi than our engines do.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
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EFR is nice tech-wise.
#20
The t04e 50 trim garrett w/stage 3 turbine seems like the most liked 'older' new turbo. The GTX30 looks awesome, but expensive to fit and likes more rpm and psi than our engines do.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
#21
The LR 61-10 I have may have been specced for a 3.2 that didn't happen. I'm not sure how a #10 hotside with a ST5 wheel would compare to a #8 ST3 for response.
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The t04e 50 trim garrett w/stage 3 turbine seems like the most liked 'older' new turbo. The GTX30 looks awesome, but expensive to fit and likes more rpm and psi than our engines do.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
The vitesse stage 3rx with its billet wheel is looking like the front runner for me so far for power, spool, and ease of install, whatever turbo that is. Not quite the power I was looking for based on his claims on pump, but probably the best I'll get.
My biggest concern is if I want to switch to a non-vitesse turbo in the future. Is it a PIA to do using his MAF? And will I be forced into buying his piggyback as part of the kit? Not sure that would be necessary for me.
#24
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My opinion on bolt-on vs garrett route is if you have access to the tools/skills necessary to fab exhaust, go for the garrett. I have a GT30, and it's great. While I'm contemplating swapping the .82 hotside for a .62 next year, this turbo is a blast all-in-all. I've always thought the stock header/crossover/downpipe system is complete crap. Now I have a system that I love, and is functionally far superior.
Alternatively, if I were to go the bolt-on route, I would most likely go with Vitesse. IMHO, you can't really beat the 'complete' bolt-on packages they offer.
Alternatively, if I were to go the bolt-on route, I would most likely go with Vitesse. IMHO, you can't really beat the 'complete' bolt-on packages they offer.
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#27
On a stock-ish 2.5 I would use a GT3076R 0.63 with a full 3" exhaust and control the engine with Raceboy's VEMS PnP. That will be easy to tune (the "black box" aspect of the Vitesse software was for me very frustrating), you won't need to slaughter your engine harness, the GT turbo will let the engine breathe better up top than any of the T4 hybrid used in a Vitesse kit, and last but not least it should all be cheaper.
I would never waste time again with any of the T4/KKK-style hybrid turbo available.
I would never waste time again with any of the T4/KKK-style hybrid turbo available.
#28
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Vitesse's turbo is expensive - $2400 if you subtract the cost of the MAF kit and piggyback from his turbo kit.
SFR's T04E bolt-up GT30 is $1500 and a GTX30 is $2050 and their crossover pipe is $1k, plus oil lines and need to modify water lines I guess. So if you get the easier route, a GT30 and their crossover pipe is similar to vitesse.
For the price, Vitesse looks like the easiest option. If I could easily mount and a plumb a GT(X)30 for within ~$1k of that, that would be tempting.
I don't know if the vitesse is journal or ball bearing, I sent an email asking, but the billet wheel does widen the price gap with the garretts and is much easier to install. I'm leaning towards vitesse right now.
SFR's T04E bolt-up GT30 is $1500 and a GTX30 is $2050 and their crossover pipe is $1k, plus oil lines and need to modify water lines I guess. So if you get the easier route, a GT30 and their crossover pipe is similar to vitesse.
For the price, Vitesse looks like the easiest option. If I could easily mount and a plumb a GT(X)30 for within ~$1k of that, that would be tempting.
I don't know if the vitesse is journal or ball bearing, I sent an email asking, but the billet wheel does widen the price gap with the garretts and is much easier to install. I'm leaning towards vitesse right now.
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Any idea what the Vitesse Stage 3 with actually put down with supporting mods? There doesn't seem to be many results. The website says 310-330whp at 15psi, which is pretty low and should be much more cheaply attained with a K27/6. That doesn't mention an exhaust/wastegate though, so if adding that and a couple more psi would crank up the numbers, that would be much better.
The most results that come up are for the old stage 2 that he claimed would make 410whp at 20psi. If they make 12-15whp per psi like he says, that would be 335-360whp at 15psi, though there was big contention it could do that without an exhaust on a stock engine. Did the old stage 2 flow as much or more than a current stage 3, or why are the claimed stage 3 power numbers much lower now? Are they more realistic without an exhaust?
And a 13 year old stage 3 made 380-390hp on 18-19psi, on 100 octane though. Still less than that stage 2 claim on pump.
The most results that come up are for the old stage 2 that he claimed would make 410whp at 20psi. If they make 12-15whp per psi like he says, that would be 335-360whp at 15psi, though there was big contention it could do that without an exhaust on a stock engine. Did the old stage 2 flow as much or more than a current stage 3, or why are the claimed stage 3 power numbers much lower now? Are they more realistic without an exhaust?
And a 13 year old stage 3 made 380-390hp on 18-19psi, on 100 octane though. Still less than that stage 2 claim on pump.