Building a Turbo S2
#76
Since you asked: The clutch is from a 911 TT S, the driveline is from a 968 with a clutch type LSD, rebuilt. The block is 968, the brakes are big reds with front 951 non s in the rear. The WG and BOV are from Tial. The engine management software is from Electromotive. Most of the moving engine and driveline parts in my car are best of the Porsche Parts Bin. Do wheels, BOV, and WG's count? My car is mostly Porsche. The bastard piece is because it was laid from the 924/Audi/VW plant. Not built there, but created in it's infancy. This caused strife within the customer base. Trust this caused dilemma within the engineer's at Porsche. Knowing the fastest car was the 951, then the 968 TS chapped their asses back when these cars were made at Stuttgart.
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You just made my point, evidentially not knowing it.
Very little is factory 951. As soon as you change anything it is no longer a standard 951. Does it really matter if it came from another Porsche? Who made your rods? EMS? Beautiful air filter system? Turbo charger? Exhaust? All ready mentioned WG & BOV. You have been at this a long time George, the OP appears to be a lost sheep in the 951 game. Don't get his hopes way up that he is going to go out and build a car like yours in the relative near future, even with spending a fortune.
Yes, it is late and just finished a big meal and a couple bottles of wine.
Very little is factory 951. As soon as you change anything it is no longer a standard 951. Does it really matter if it came from another Porsche? Who made your rods? EMS? Beautiful air filter system? Turbo charger? Exhaust? All ready mentioned WG & BOV. You have been at this a long time George, the OP appears to be a lost sheep in the 951 game. Don't get his hopes way up that he is going to go out and build a car like yours in the relative near future, even with spending a fortune.
Yes, it is late and just finished a big meal and a couple bottles of wine.
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I'm still not going to build a 968. I have this allegiance to the 924/944/928 line I must honor. The 968 is likely a great car but I didn't grow up with it the way I did with the 914, 924, 944 and 928 (Porsche; There is no substitute).
I guess I'm just too old. The alternate theory is I just like driving too fast
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Might wanna let Chris chime in here. His bottom end is far from stock...
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Not sure where the speculation came from, but the bottom end of the 968 cab motor has some stock components - the oil pan and gasket are stock. The crank seal is stock and the oil pump is stock, that's about it.
The crank has some minor oiling mods and is carefully polished and balanced. Rods are Arrows, coated bearings, Wossner pistons (9:1), the bores are Alusil since this is a street car. Top end is a modified 968 head with custom valves, valve springs, retainers and cam drive system. ARP head studs. Minimum boost is 10lbs (waste gate spring) and the max is based on application and fuel. It could do 30psi in the midrange with the right fuel and limited ignition advance, but that's not what it is intended to do. 12-20 psi is the intended range.
Some one mentioned factory race applications, the very first 944 race application was a 16v 944 turbo. 1981. The first cup cars were 8v 944 turbos. Following that there were various 3.0 16v NA cars like the Firehawk race cars. The 968 turbos we're put together for a limited HP race series and after that Porsche did build one for LeMans.
So there are all favors of factory race engines.
It's entertaining to read some of the stuff being posted.....are there any good technical questions posted yet? I'll be happy to help with the 'good' questions!
#83
Sorry Chris,
I thought you told me your wife's cab was stock and running 8psi. Apologize for the incorrect data.
I thought you told me your wife's cab was stock and running 8psi. Apologize for the incorrect data.
Please stop checking out my "bottom end" in public....
Not sure where the speculation came from, but the bottom end of the 968 cab motor has some stock components - the oil pan and gasket are stock. The crank seal is stock and the oil pump is stock, that's about it.
The crank has some minor oiling mods and is carefully polished and balanced. Rods are Arrows, coated bearings, Wossner pistons (9:1), the bores are Alusil since this is a street car. Top end is a modified 968 head with custom valves, valve springs, retainers and cam drive system. ARP head studs. Minimum boost is 10lbs (waste gate spring) and the max is based on application and fuel. It could do 30psi in the midrange with the right fuel and limited ignition advance, but that's not what it is intended to do. 12-20 psi is the intended range.
Some one mentioned factory race applications, the very first 944 race application was a 16v 944 turbo. 1981. The first cup cars were 8v 944 turbos. Following that there were various 3.0 16v NA cars like the Firehawk race cars. The 968 turbos we're put together for a limited HP race series and after that Porsche did build one for LeMans.
So there are all favors of factory race engines.
It's entertaining to read some of the stuff being posted.....are there any good technical questions posted yet? I'll be happy to help with the 'good' questions!
Not sure where the speculation came from, but the bottom end of the 968 cab motor has some stock components - the oil pan and gasket are stock. The crank seal is stock and the oil pump is stock, that's about it.
The crank has some minor oiling mods and is carefully polished and balanced. Rods are Arrows, coated bearings, Wossner pistons (9:1), the bores are Alusil since this is a street car. Top end is a modified 968 head with custom valves, valve springs, retainers and cam drive system. ARP head studs. Minimum boost is 10lbs (waste gate spring) and the max is based on application and fuel. It could do 30psi in the midrange with the right fuel and limited ignition advance, but that's not what it is intended to do. 12-20 psi is the intended range.
Some one mentioned factory race applications, the very first 944 race application was a 16v 944 turbo. 1981. The first cup cars were 8v 944 turbos. Following that there were various 3.0 16v NA cars like the Firehawk race cars. The 968 turbos we're put together for a limited HP race series and after that Porsche did build one for LeMans.
So there are all favors of factory race engines.
It's entertaining to read some of the stuff being posted.....are there any good technical questions posted yet? I'll be happy to help with the 'good' questions!
#84
Well then I've never owned a factory sports car of any mark. I've modified all of them. I still think I own an 89 Porsche 951. Don't know what else to call it, and my LX470 is still a Toyota/Lexus, though much has been modified for off road adventures.
You just made my point, evidentially not knowing it.
Very little is factory 951. As soon as you change anything it is no longer a standard 951. Does it really matter if it came from another Porsche? Who made your rods? EMS? Beautiful air filter system? Turbo charger? Exhaust? All ready mentioned WG & BOV. You have been at this a long time George, the OP appears to be a lost sheep in the 951 game. Don't get his hopes way up that he is going to go out and build a car like yours in the relative near future, even with spending a fortune.
Yes, it is late and just finished a big meal and a couple bottles of wine.
Very little is factory 951. As soon as you change anything it is no longer a standard 951. Does it really matter if it came from another Porsche? Who made your rods? EMS? Beautiful air filter system? Turbo charger? Exhaust? All ready mentioned WG & BOV. You have been at this a long time George, the OP appears to be a lost sheep in the 951 game. Don't get his hopes way up that he is going to go out and build a car like yours in the relative near future, even with spending a fortune.
Yes, it is late and just finished a big meal and a couple bottles of wine.
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so it seems like the list of things different between a 3l 8v and a 16v would be custom intake and crossover pipe?
I have a 3l engine coming, and I have a spare 8v turbo head. Was going to to do an 8v, but I also have a friend who is a kick *** welder, so making an intake/crossover pipe is not out of the question.
I already have a stand alone system, so I should be able to build whatever I want
I have a 3l engine coming, and I have a spare 8v turbo head. Was going to to do an 8v, but I also have a friend who is a kick *** welder, so making an intake/crossover pipe is not out of the question.
I already have a stand alone system, so I should be able to build whatever I want
#88
As one of the few (I think) who are running a 16V turbo, I would say that the only extra work with a 3.0 16V instead of a 8V is matching the x-over with the stock headers and a new intake. A nice while you are in there is adding piston squirters.
To make it even simpler it would probably be possible to use m-tune also(with 951 flywheel). From what I understand m-tune can be mapped like any other stand alone system?
To make it even simpler it would probably be possible to use m-tune also(with 951 flywheel). From what I understand m-tune can be mapped like any other stand alone system?
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The first cup cars were 8v 944 turbos. Following that there were various 3.0 16v NA cars like the Firehawk race cars. The 968 turbos we're put together for a limited HP race series and after that Porsche did build one for LeMans.
So there are all favors of factory race engines.
So there are all favors of factory race engines.
Thanks,