SimonK

You all probably remember my posts about Bridgestone SO2 tires.

I had a chance to drive tires back to back for the first time. The workshop fitted Bridgestone’s SO2’s and I hated them (mainly the increased sway at the back). They do get good eventually but you have to wait 5000 miles!

After I completed 500 miles a friend wanted them quickly in my size – long order time - so I thought – he can have them and I will buy new tires.

This time I took the plunge and thought I know this can go either way but sod it and bought Pirelli P0 Rosso.

The result?

Bridgestone sucks!!! Yep you heard me right they are S##t!! Pirelli from new; much less sway, nicer feel as to on/off limit (transition) and much better high speed stability. They also brake better. Haven’t tried them in the rain yet.

Now you know why Schumi has problems at the moment he,he….

Bin those Bridgestone’s next time you do a 4 tyre swap and get the Italian.

Pasta and tyres - I swear it is true...

Asarus

Sorry but i disagree with you. The Bridgestone S02 tires are really good tires, they just worn a bit too fast...
The PZero Rosso are also good tires.

That's not because you don't like the Brisgestone tires that you should say they suck... try to be more objective

SimonK

Asarus, you must like your car swaying at the back alot??? and being soft??? are you being a girl or a man?? he,he....Just the English humor...

I know tires are a personal thing but I think for our cars Pirelli P0 Rosso are much better. We measured hardness of the side wall and Pirelli P0 Rosso was 20% harder. This means that it will by default have less sway when on the 17-inch wheels. Unless you like the sway and I most certainly don't - try both - drive the car hard - and then let me know what you think.

Sorry Bridgstone 0, Pirelli 1!

PS: I would not change my Bridgstones up until now for anything as I was persuaded they are it. I have now tried the two brands back to back for myself and I am the converted now.

Asarus

Great english humor...
You have power assisted steering on you car ? probably because you're as strong as a woman and need it to turn your car ? Sorry, French humor...

I used the Bridgestone S02 on my previous 944 S2 on track (with a lowered M.030 chassis, big antiroll bar, etc..) and it was very good. The bad point was that the tires are too hot quite fast and start to slip then... but if you take a bit of time to lower the temperature, that's good.

I only tried PZero Assimetrico and Rosso. They are good, but that doesn't mean the Bridgestone sucks for this reason...

It's not all black or all white

PS: the reaction of the tire also depends on a lot of factors (outside temperature, pression, chassis, car, etc...)

PS2: there is no 951S in 1992

SimonK

''PS2: there is no 951S in 1992 ''

Already had this debate on this forum.

Registered in UK Jan 1992. The last horse! There is and it's mine!

Asarus

Sure... but what i mean is that the 951 S is the 1988 limited edition, and you can eventually call 951 S the 1989 951...

But the 1990 & 1991 951 don't have the 951 S specifications (including M.030, etc...)

So, either your car is a true 951 S from 1988 (WPO ZZZ 95 ZJN ... chassis) registered 4 years later, in this case, it's a 1988 951 S even if it was registered later...
Either you car has a 1992 chassis number (WPO ZZZ 95 ZNN ?) , but i don't know any currently... and anyway if this is the case, it's a 951 and not a 951 S....

SimonK

Not so.

They called them differently for different markets.

In the UK 951 was an ordinary turbo up to 1988.

951SE (special edition) - silver rose was the 1988 model.

All turbos after that were 951S.

Trust me. I live here. That's the way it was here in the UK.

Will check the chassis no and let you know (I think it is a last of 1991 registered in 1992).

Thom

By the way, were MY89 turbo for the UK market also named "turbo SE" ?

Asarus

Ok, i understand your signature now

I knew for the 944 Turbo S/SE but not for the 951 called 951 S after 1988...

So this is a 944 Turbo MY 91 (ZMN) registered in 1992
My 944 Turbo (not the turbo cup) is also a MY 91, first registered in 1994

SimonK

That's the one.

Keep on ''rockin'' smiling and generally having a good time...

Asarus

But don't forget anyway to give me your chassis number (or at least the Z?N section), i'm curious to know if your car has a 1992 MY number...

Thom

Simon, what suspension do you have on your car ?

Do you have the stock Fichtel & Sachs crappy shocks or the M030 bits ?

Either way I'd believe these are completely knackered if you have really found S-02s to be bad tyres

Ken

How does one go about measuring the hardness of the side wall?

SimonK

Thom, I have M030 all round and refurbished. Car is also lowered max and laser aligned and yes I find Pirellis to be better than Bridgstone.

Ken, the tyre specialist had a gadget - don't ask me what. It had a needle in the middle and a ''clock type gauge''. He pushed the needle into the tyre side wall and measured 50 of something (could be potatoes as far as I know) on the S02 and 68.7 on the Rosso. He measured both side wall and thread and said Rosso was harder on both accounts.

All you guys; when I said Bridgstone sucks I did not mean it literally I just meant I think Pirelli gives me noticeable better feel (more like when Bridgstone is worn - but straight away - no more sway) - I think you should all enjoy it too - this is why I am sharing this revelation with you.

I used Bridgstones S02 and pole position for the past 4 years. But as I said pasta and tyres - today - it goes to the Italians...

Ken

Simon, that's interesting. I've never seen one. I can tell by hand that the sidewalls on my Kuhmo Victoracers are much harder than my Kuhmo MXs. It'd be interesting to see a quantitative difference. I'm gonna check around, maybe I can get one for cheap. Thanks.