Early 996TT v 3.0T 944 ?."
08-07-2013, 08:20 PM
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Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.
Sean Buchanan Sydney Motorsport Park extended circuit PCNSW sprint session 3 - YouTube
Here's a pretty fair representation of the question at hand. Sean / JET951 in his 3L 944 on track with a 997GT2RS. Sean was on Hoosier slicks while the RS was on Michelins (which are faster). There's not much between these cars in a straightline while Sean seems to cover him on most corners too....driver ability notwithstanding. In the next session the GT2 driver lets Sean past to go on and score better lap times. Can't have a 997 GT2RS holding you up now can you.
Sean Buchanan Sydney Motorsport Park extended circuit PCNSW sprint session 3 - YouTube
Bottom line, we need Sean behind the wheel of that 997GT2RS
Cool video regardless
08-07-2013, 08:31 PM
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Got both 944S2 cab 3.0 16v turbo, awesome car love it to bits its my baby and only gets used on a sunny day, daily driver 996tt with Alpha28 Tial turbos, larger injectors, exhaust, GIAC flash and its 650hp on premium and 700 on race gas all for about $15K in upgrades, insane really.
Two different cars for sure but if I had to choose only one, very likely the 944 cab, so classic, hope that day never comes.
mike
Two different cars for sure but if I had to choose only one, very likely the 944 cab, so classic, hope that day never comes.
mike
Good and true points Mike. Having said that, it brings me back to the question of price. I know this wasn’t part of the OP’s discussion but in OZ my guess is that a modified 996tt would owe you close to, if not more than $200k? It’s been weeks since I’ve shopped for one! Spend $20k on a reasonable 951 and add $100k to it. Probably give your 996TT a run for it’s money.
Ps…Nice to see you on here also. Glad to hear the Cab is fixed.
Ps…Nice to see you on here also. Glad to hear the Cab is fixed.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
08-07-2013, 08:36 PM
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"driver ability notwithstanding"???
Bottom line, we need Sean behind the wheel of that 997GT2RS
Cool video regardless
Sure, that’s why I didn’t compare the corner and brake zones too closely, but in a straight line there doesn’t seem to be much in it. Bear in mind also that this was Porsches fastest car to date and was quicker than the CGT around N’ring. Allow Sean to create an RS spec out of his car and see what happens. Sean’s car would probably weigh very close to the 2RS now. If we create parity in the power to weight figure only and even disregard the 25 years of Tech advancements, I’m thinking the 951 represents an awesome bargain!
Bottom line, we need Sean behind the wheel of that 997GT2RS
Cool video regardless
Sure, that’s why I didn’t compare the corner and brake zones too closely, but in a straight line there doesn’t seem to be much in it. Bear in mind also that this was Porsches fastest car to date and was quicker than the CGT around N’ring. Allow Sean to create an RS spec out of his car and see what happens. Sean’s car would probably weigh very close to the 2RS now. If we create parity in the power to weight figure only and even disregard the 25 years of Tech advancements, I’m thinking the 951 represents an awesome bargain!
08-07-2013, 08:41 PM
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Mike just said he has $15k in his 996TT. If the OP can find one for $35k, that makes $50k, not $200k.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
08-07-2013, 08:50 PM
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Mike just said he has $15k in his 996TT. If the OP can find one for $35k, that makes $50k, not $200k.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
08-07-2013, 09:35 PM
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Guessing that an early one would quite possibly be in need of some work not the least the real possibility that it’s been thrashed to a greater or lesser degree. So probably fair to factor in more than the $15k on upgrades.
Ultimately I think we all pretty much agree on the points mentioned thus far. I’m just going through a redundant exercise of sticking up for the modded 951 on a 951 forum…
Ultimately I think we all pretty much agree on the points mentioned thus far. I’m just going through a redundant exercise of sticking up for the modded 951 on a 951 forum…
08-07-2013, 09:40 PM
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Mike just said he has $15k in his 996TT. If the OP can find one for $35k, that makes $50k, not $200k.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
We're getting a little off topic here since the OP wanted to know 420 vs 420, but the point that 650hp can be made in a 996TT with less than $15k is valid. Especially considering all of us can't own a turbo P car without messing with it!!!
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Mike in Australia has $15k in his car. An average cost of 996 turbo’s here seem to be about $140-$160k…so I was a bit wrong with the costs. The OP is in England. I’m not sure if he meant 35k in GBP or $35k in US dollars? If it’s $50k with mods then that is a super deal. Can’t argue with that at all.
$2.5k billet k16 modified turbos ($5.5k for full-on new TiAL Alpha billets)
$1.5k flash
$1.5k exhaust (used, everywhere)
$1.0k hitachi MAF + larger injectors
$1.0k 997.2GT2RS ICs
$1.5k Sachs performance pressure plate and GT2 clutch disc (good for 650+hp)
= $9k-$12k in bolt on mods and a reliable 600-700+ hp. Hence Mike's "best value Porsche modding platform" comment.
Does the 996TT feel "muted" relative to the 951? Sure.
Is the 996TT easier/safer to drive fast? Definitely, 100% (I DE both - 996TT at Road America and the 951 everywhere else)
Does the 996TT have more performance potential if your total budget was $50k? Definitely
I purchased my 951 to become a better driver. And even though my 951 is more of a DE car, I love taking it out on the weekends. It's fun to drive and has more driver involvement for sure. It's also relatively easy to work on. Plus there's the pride in having an older car that's well maintained and properly sorted. I love the confused look that you get when someone notices your (nearly) perfectly sorted 26yr old car and scratches their head
The 996TT makes a much better DD IMO. Ride comfort, interior, refinement - someone described it as a "train car"... You have two guys on here that own both and DD the 996TT and weekend drive the 944.
Blade, are you looking for a weekend driver, or a DD? A tool for becoming better driver or a supercar that you can safely drive faster?
Given your comments, I don't think you would be happy with a stock 996TT vs your 3L build. A modded 996TT may fit the bill, but also may be outside of the practical constraints. I think you love the 944 and should stick with it. Build the 3L!!!!
08-07-2013, 10:11 PM
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I've had a reality check and come to the conclusion buying and running a 996TT are 2 different prospects. 10 years ago I'd have made sacrifices to own and run a TT, and driven it like I stole it, now my driving and riding manner is more sensible. I think about the consequences if it went wrong a lot more these days.
08-07-2013, 10:14 PM
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08-07-2013, 11:20 PM
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Enjoyable thread nonetheless.
...Now to finish my track car that will blow the doors off all the rear engine cars!!!
...Now to finish my track car that will blow the doors off all the rear engine cars!!!
08-08-2013, 12:08 AM
#56
just hope you don't find a GT2/GT2RS with driver-mod installed 
and sounds like the OP will be most happy with a built 951, end of the day that's all that matters!
and sounds like the OP will be most happy with a built 951, end of the day that's all that matters!
08-08-2013, 12:17 AM
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I hope it's a Pro inside. Nice to know you have beaten the best there is!!
08-08-2013, 12:45 AM
#58
not trying to hurt feelings here; time and technology move on, when it comes down to lap times the fact is that fun/nostalgia don't bring home trophies; if 951's were faster racecars then Porsche wouldn't be racing 991RSR's...just like a 996RSR doesn't hold a candle to the new 991RSR's...
let's just agree that both 944's and 911's are both great fun on the street and still very fast on track
let's just agree that both 944's and 911's are both great fun on the street and still very fast on track
08-08-2013, 06:51 AM
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not trying to hurt feelings here; time and technology move on, when it comes down to lap times the fact is that fun/nostalgia don't bring home trophies; if 951's were faster racecars then Porsche wouldn't be racing 991RSR's...just like a 996RSR doesn't hold a candle to the new 991RSR's...
let's just agree that both 944's and 911's are both great fun on the street and still very fast on track
let's just agree that both 944's and 911's are both great fun on the street and still very fast on track
. Back in the real world I don't do trackdays and I like the fact 944T's aren't on the boy racers radar.
08-08-2013, 07:19 AM
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