Next years goal... 750 true RWHP
#16
Race Car
Thread Starter
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Sid you numbers are very interesting.
TMS 420 hp and 112 (lighter than me)
DanaT 355 and 110 (just heavier than me)
That evening I weighed in at 3305 with me in car. I think you are 200-300 lighter than me (I can probably drop 100lbs quickly..take the spare, inflator, tools, etc out of the trunk)
Is it not strange that a car with 420hp and at probably at 300lbs lighter ran barely faster mph than I did?
My conclusion is that the dyno used my TMS was optimistic.
You cant BS the mph in a quarter mile
TMS 420 hp and 112 (lighter than me)
DanaT 355 and 110 (just heavier than me)
That evening I weighed in at 3305 with me in car. I think you are 200-300 lighter than me (I can probably drop 100lbs quickly..take the spare, inflator, tools, etc out of the trunk)
Is it not strange that a car with 420hp and at probably at 300lbs lighter ran barely faster mph than I did?
My conclusion is that the dyno used my TMS was optimistic.
You cant BS the mph in a quarter mile
Like I said, the DYNO almost always reads higher than teh trap speed dictates it to be.
at 3305 yours shows 345hp
#18
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Temp / altitude / etc affect numbers. I think bandimere is somewhat higher than longmont. Could have been a hotter day too.
I would say +/- 10hp is reasonably good.
#19
Race Car
Thread Starter
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
So sorry Rod. I'm just used to these dyno debates I guess.
I'll get one pretty soon. But I can promise you this; it will not look anything like a Honda or DSM. Considering I ran 115 on 12 psi (which is around 370 hpish probably a decent amount over 400 tq given these cars) and I hit 12 psi just after 3000 rpms the torque curve should be pretty flat.
That is one thing I will give up to a dyno. Adjusting timing and AFRs to help torque curve.
I'll get one pretty soon. But I can promise you this; it will not look anything like a Honda or DSM. Considering I ran 115 on 12 psi (which is around 370 hpish probably a decent amount over 400 tq given these cars) and I hit 12 psi just after 3000 rpms the torque curve should be pretty flat.
That is one thing I will give up to a dyno. Adjusting timing and AFRs to help torque curve.
#20
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think for me a "cheap" way to gain some extra speed is a few things:
Loose 100lbs of dead weight in the car. Unloading trunk = free. Probably some lightweight seats instead of the million way adjustable recaros would help.
Beyond that I need to try harder to lose weight.
Then I think my next limit is fueling. I think I am maxed out on stock pump. I could increase fuel and it did not richen things up. To take of this issue...i have a -044 fuel pump on my desk here in germany that is coming home with me (this should be FUN with tsa. A vacuum packed device with some oil surrounding it in the package)
Then I want to get my E85 / gasoline drivevability issues sorted out. I have no drivability issues with gasoline, E85 and I am always screwing with it to keep the AFR correct.
What has piqued my curiosity is the zeitronix E85 analyzer. It outputs alcohol content as a voltage and fuel temp as voltage. Adding this seems like "holy grail" of real world E85 street for us.
Loose 100lbs of dead weight in the car. Unloading trunk = free. Probably some lightweight seats instead of the million way adjustable recaros would help.
Beyond that I need to try harder to lose weight.
Then I think my next limit is fueling. I think I am maxed out on stock pump. I could increase fuel and it did not richen things up. To take of this issue...i have a -044 fuel pump on my desk here in germany that is coming home with me (this should be FUN with tsa. A vacuum packed device with some oil surrounding it in the package)
Then I want to get my E85 / gasoline drivevability issues sorted out. I have no drivability issues with gasoline, E85 and I am always screwing with it to keep the AFR correct.
What has piqued my curiosity is the zeitronix E85 analyzer. It outputs alcohol content as a voltage and fuel temp as voltage. Adding this seems like "holy grail" of real world E85 street for us.
#21
Race Car
Thread Starter
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I'd say very good considering what you see out of most. He is obviously pretty well dialed into the air here.
#22
Race Car
Thread Starter
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I think for me a "cheap" way to gain some extra speed is a few things:
Loose 100lbs of dead weight in the car. Unloading trunk = free. Probably some lightweight seats instead of the million way adjustable recaros would help.
Beyond that I need to try harder to lose weight.
Then I think my next limit is fueling. I think I am maxed out on stock pump. I could increase fuel and it did not richen things up. To take of this issue...i have a -044 fuel pump on my desk here in germany that is coming home with me (this should be FUN with tsa. A vacuum packed device with some oil surrounding it in the package)
Then I want to get my E85 / gasoline drivevability issues sorted out. I have no drivability issues with gasoline, E85 and I am always screwing with it to keep the AFR correct.
What has piqued my curiosity is the zeitronix E85 analyzer. It outputs alcohol content as a voltage and fuel temp as voltage. Adding this seems like "holy grail" of real world E85 street for us.
Loose 100lbs of dead weight in the car. Unloading trunk = free. Probably some lightweight seats instead of the million way adjustable recaros would help.
Beyond that I need to try harder to lose weight.
Then I think my next limit is fueling. I think I am maxed out on stock pump. I could increase fuel and it did not richen things up. To take of this issue...i have a -044 fuel pump on my desk here in germany that is coming home with me (this should be FUN with tsa. A vacuum packed device with some oil surrounding it in the package)
Then I want to get my E85 / gasoline drivevability issues sorted out. I have no drivability issues with gasoline, E85 and I am always screwing with it to keep the AFR correct.
What has piqued my curiosity is the zeitronix E85 analyzer. It outputs alcohol content as a voltage and fuel temp as voltage. Adding this seems like "holy grail" of real world E85 street for us.
I never have to touch anything for driving around. Actually I hardly mess with anything at the track.
#24
Rennlist Member
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Actually Sid, I'm very pleased that as a sideline to your drag racing you've discussed power figures that correlate to mph and more or less render dyno chart numbers obsolete. To add, what would be more interesting is to compare various charts to those that have actually done a few 1/4 passes and see just how much variation they get from their dyno figures. I would like to add to the data but certain actions have caused delays. I'm curious as to our dyno figures down here and just what mph our cars would do.
#25
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
![](http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/ddt951t/951_upsidedown.jpg)
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
#26
Rennlist Member
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I am looking forward to see how far you push the envelope Sid. I too am planning a 3+ Liter build based around your design concept over the winter.
A bit tamer version for sure.
Also, I would love to see a dyno sheet on your motor just for comparison reasons. I have no doubts that your car makes incredible power, you has proved that. I would just love to see the torque curve.
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Also, I would love to see a dyno sheet on your motor just for comparison reasons. I have no doubts that your car makes incredible power, you has proved that. I would just love to see the torque curve.
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
#28
Burning Brakes
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
wow, those dyno charts from 'down under' are a little difficult to read! ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
On a serious note, I like your bore/stroke better. 103/93 works better for turbocharging than the stock 100/76.
I think you're giving up some power with the low comp ratio given the high amount of timing you're using, and the late spoolup of the turbo, and the raised rev limits.
![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
On a serious note, I like your bore/stroke better. 103/93 works better for turbocharging than the stock 100/76.
I think you're giving up some power with the low comp ratio given the high amount of timing you're using, and the late spoolup of the turbo, and the raised rev limits.
#29
Rennlist Member
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
What do/will you use for ignition?
Trust you know you need to be careful about getting oil to the lifters with small base circles.
Stock headers and intake?
Any plans for stregthening the bottom end -- things can get squirrely down there at very high power levels, especially if you wil be racing it and not just doing a few dyno runs at that level. There are some lower stud options out there...
Trust you know you need to be careful about getting oil to the lifters with small base circles.
Stock headers and intake?
Any plans for stregthening the bottom end -- things can get squirrely down there at very high power levels, especially if you wil be racing it and not just doing a few dyno runs at that level. There are some lower stud options out there...
#30
![Default](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.gif)
SId, not to throw you off, but I completely agree with your horsepower calculation statements. LOL! ![thumbup](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/thumbup.gif)
Sounds like a solid dragstrip motor Sid. I have no doubt you'll make the goal.
Patrick.. That was hilarious.
![thumbup](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/thumbup.gif)
Sounds like a solid dragstrip motor Sid. I have no doubt you'll make the goal.
Patrick.. That was hilarious.