Turbo upgrade=more lag?
02-24-2012, 04:35 PM
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I am not trying to be disrespectful but get rid of the KKK all together. Holset is the best option. The bearings are tough, no need for water, 60lbs a min, best setup IMO. my HY35HX35T3 is super sick 
I will be building a few of them for the header setup with double piston rings on the oil side for proper sealing
I will be building a few of them for the header setup with double piston rings on the oil side for proper sealing
02-24-2012, 05:22 PM
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I think peeps in general need to let go of the value of bolt on turbos. The turbo characteristics significantly define your driving experience, and lads, we are talking about changing a flange to open up other very sweet options, like the Garrett T04Z and the new GT35x range etc...
02-24-2012, 09:47 PM
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My wastegate is fine. It's a brand new Dual port LR unit. New billet LR blow off valve. Maybe this turbo is bigger than I'm giving it credit for so I'm expecting faster spool...? 53#min..? When I had emailed Lindsey racing I said I wanted a larger turbo good for around 400hp but without much more lag. And they recommended the Super53 with stg 3 turbine... Also had one on the shelf maybe that's why..... I did notice what sounded like the bypass valve fluttering at more than 15psi like it couldn't hold back the boost...
02-24-2012, 09:52 PM
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My wastegate is fine. It's a brand new Dual port LR unit. New billet LR blow off valve. Maybe this turbo is bigger than I'm giving it credit for so I'm expecting faster spool...? 53#min..? When I had emailed Lindsey racing I said I wanted a larger turbo good for around 400hp but without much more lag. And they recommended the Super53 with stg 3 turbine... Also had one on the shelf maybe that's why..... I did notice what sounded like the bypass valve fluttering at more than 15psi like it couldn't hold back the boost...
I didnt a back to back 8 hotside and Garrett .63, and the Garrett left the 8 for dead, more power and significantly higher over the rev range. You will struggle to get 400WHP with the 8 I would have thought without a hell of a lot of boost.
Keep in mind the "Super 53" is just a T04E, nothing overly flash.
02-24-2012, 10:06 PM
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Maybe you said, but did you go with the 8 or 10 hotside?
I didnt a back to back 8 hotside and Garrett .63, and the Garrett left the 8 for dead, more power and significantly higher over the rev range. You will struggle to get 400WHP with the 8 I would have thought without a hell of a lot of boost.
Keep in mind the "Super 53" is just a T04E, nothing overly flash.
I didnt a back to back 8 hotside and Garrett .63, and the Garrett left the 8 for dead, more power and significantly higher over the rev range. You will struggle to get 400WHP with the 8 I would have thought without a hell of a lot of boost.
Keep in mind the "Super 53" is just a T04E, nothing overly flash.
I'm still running the stock downpipe though. Maybe that is the culprit??
02-24-2012, 10:09 PM
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Paulyy,
From what I have read about bolt on turbo upgrades for our cars, and with your last statement in mind, it really does seem like a hybrid K26/TO4E turbo is a great and straight forward upgrade. Which one of these two turbo's will provide the best spool up characteristics, power band and reliability.?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998749240...ht_1492wt_1189
Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998751921...ht_1296wt_1189
I'm aware of Barefoot's slightly shady reputation, but as far as I'm aware its mostly related to costumer service, late shipping etc, and not so much his parts or work itself. And I have a friend who's going to Florida next month, who can collect the turbo and bring it back to Europe. So as long as the turbo is good its no problem..
My car is a mostly stock '89 Turbo with A-tune, boost enhancer and shimmed wastegate, and further planned upgrades are M-tune, 3" exhaust, dual port wastegate and turbo.
I don't want to hijack this tread, but I thought this might be of interest to OP..
Alex.
From what I have read about bolt on turbo upgrades for our cars, and with your last statement in mind, it really does seem like a hybrid K26/TO4E turbo is a great and straight forward upgrade. Which one of these two turbo's will provide the best spool up characteristics, power band and reliability.?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998749240...ht_1492wt_1189
Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998751921...ht_1296wt_1189
I'm aware of Barefoot's slightly shady reputation, but as far as I'm aware its mostly related to costumer service, late shipping etc, and not so much his parts or work itself. And I have a friend who's going to Florida next month, who can collect the turbo and bring it back to Europe. So as long as the turbo is good its no problem..
My car is a mostly stock '89 Turbo with A-tune, boost enhancer and shimmed wastegate, and further planned upgrades are M-tune, 3" exhaust, dual port wastegate and turbo.
I don't want to hijack this tread, but I thought this might be of interest to OP..
Alex.
02-24-2012, 10:10 PM
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Not a great turbo choice in my opinion for 400WHP... but in terms of the exhaust, yup you want as little back pressure as possible, so any exhaust improvements like that will help. This goes to my point, saving on a flange buy getting a bolt on turbo doesnt really matter when you have to go and change things like the downpipe etc... The KKK turbine housings in my experience are pretty poor compared to the garrett stuff.
02-24-2012, 10:43 PM
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Not a great turbo choice in my opinion for 400WHP... but in terms of the exhaust, yup you want as little back pressure as possible, so any exhaust improvements like that will help. This goes to my point, saving on a flange buy getting a bolt on turbo doesnt really matter when you have to go and change things like the downpipe etc... The KKK turbine housings in my experience are pretty poor compared to the garrett stuff.
I just hate having to have things such as exhaust's flanges custom fit/welded etc..... There's really not much in my area for that kind of work. Unless you have a Mustang, Corvette, etc yuck!!!. around here you're kind of on your own so I always try to go the bolt on route even if it is $pendy....
02-24-2012, 11:53 PM
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Paulyy,
From what I have read about bolt on turbo upgrades for our cars, and with your last statement in mind, it really does seem like a hybrid K26/TO4E turbo is a great and straight forward upgrade. Which one of these two turbo's will provide the best spool up characteristics, power band and reliability.?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998749240...ht_1492wt_1189
Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998751921...ht_1296wt_1189
I'm aware of Barefoot's slightly shady reputation, but as far as I'm aware its mostly related to costumer service, late shipping etc, and not so much his parts or work itself. And I have a friend who's going to Florida next month, who can collect the turbo and bring it back to Europe. So as long as the turbo is good its no problem..
My car is a mostly stock '89 Turbo with A-tune, boost enhancer and shimmed wastegate, and further planned upgrades are M-tune, 3" exhaust, dual port wastegate and turbo.
I don't want to hijack this tread, but I thought this might be of interest to OP..
Alex.
From what I have read about bolt on turbo upgrades for our cars, and with your last statement in mind, it really does seem like a hybrid K26/TO4E turbo is a great and straight forward upgrade. Which one of these two turbo's will provide the best spool up characteristics, power band and reliability.?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998749240...ht_1492wt_1189
Or:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250998751921...ht_1296wt_1189
I'm aware of Barefoot's slightly shady reputation, but as far as I'm aware its mostly related to costumer service, late shipping etc, and not so much his parts or work itself. And I have a friend who's going to Florida next month, who can collect the turbo and bring it back to Europe. So as long as the turbo is good its no problem..
My car is a mostly stock '89 Turbo with A-tune, boost enhancer and shimmed wastegate, and further planned upgrades are M-tune, 3" exhaust, dual port wastegate and turbo.
I don't want to hijack this tread, but I thought this might be of interest to OP..
Alex.
I think peeps in general need to let go of the value of bolt on turbos. The turbo characteristics significantly define your driving experience, and lads, we are talking about changing a flange to open up other very sweet options, like the Garrett T04Z and the new GT35x range etc...
02-24-2012, 11:54 PM
#26
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Maybe I should invest in a 3" downpipe and have the headers/crossover piping coated before dropping the super53....? Just don't wanna spend that $ and still want a different turbo is all. I may just have to go dbb. I just really like the dry setup since I don't track the car...
02-25-2012, 01:04 AM
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If I was to do it again, I would go for a GT50/35 with .84 hotside and run E85 and wind it up!
02-25-2012, 01:05 AM
#28
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So there really is no super performing "bolt on" turbo for us really is there...?
I just hate having to have things such as exhaust's flanges custom fit/welded etc..... There's really not much in my area for that kind of work. Unless you have a Mustang, Corvette, etc yuck!!!. around here you're kind of on your own so I always try to go the bolt on route even if it is $pendy....
I just hate having to have things such as exhaust's flanges custom fit/welded etc..... There's really not much in my area for that kind of work. Unless you have a Mustang, Corvette, etc yuck!!!. around here you're kind of on your own so I always try to go the bolt on route even if it is $pendy....
02-25-2012, 01:50 AM
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John (Vitesse) does make turbos and is very helpful and responsive to questions - the OP should send an email to him. In fairness I have gotten good help from Mike Lindsey via email as well. Charlie at Evergreen was very helpful as well via phone. The 53 you have is a pretty good bolt-on option I think from what little I know - my understanding is that the MAF upgrade you are also considering will help the lag but I am still waiting to see that for myself.
02-25-2012, 03:42 AM
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John (Vitesse) does make turbos and is very helpful and responsive to questions - the OP should send an email to him. In fairness I have gotten good help from Mike Lindsey via email as well. Charlie at Evergreen was very helpful as well via phone. The 53 you have is a pretty good bolt-on option I think from what little I know - my understanding is that the MAF upgrade you are also considering will help the lag but I am still waiting to see that for myself.