facboy

hi all,

i recently came across a car for sale advertised as a 250hp 951. the price seemed pretty good, so i phoned the guy up, but he tells me that the car is an '86, completely stock. according to him, the 250hp cars were the earlier ones, and that later cars got nerfed down to 220 when they put all the emissions stuff in etc.

my understanding was always that only the '88 turbo S and later cars were 250hp, but this is not the first time that somebody has told me that the '86 cars were more powerful. i'd always dismissed it as the ravings of some looney , but now i'm starting to wonder.

any thoughts? was this a peculiarity of the australian market?

User 41221

I can't speak directly of the Austrailian market, but that sure sounds backwards to me... The factory never made any claims of having a 250hp ROW 951 in '86, so I am pretty sure that guy is wrong.

Regards,

slevy951

I'm going to agree with sh944. HP goes up, not down.

M758

I remember hearing the 944 Turbo was one of the first "world" cars here all the cars in all markets got the same emission equipment and where rated at the same hp. 217 SAE and 220 DIN spec.

This is contrasted with the 944 NA that was 163 DIN RoW and 143 SAE in the US. Here the emissions stuff and lower C/R dropped HP. In 1988 the came with all cars with a 160 DIN and 158 SAE spec.

pikey7

According to PET, the MY87 car was the first with 184kW (250Hp), all before that were lower Hp. There is no destinction between any markets listed. The MY 87 cars were also designated turbo-s where the earlier and later were just turbo.

There is a M479 code for 'version for Australia', but I can't find anything more in detail as to what that was.

sybelix

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pikey7:
<strong>According to PET, the MY87 car was the first with 184kW (250Hp), all before that were lower Hp. There is no destinction between any markets listed. The MY 87 cars were also designated turbo-s where the earlier and later were just turbo.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'll have to definatelly disagree with your statement;
Turbo S model was made MY 88.5 to somewhat '89 !
NOT '87 , in any market !
All turbo S and post models were delivered with
larger turbocharger ( 26/8, instead the pre S 26/6 )and 184 kw / 250 hp, and lots of other
improvements..

So either you have a '88 S-model manual or there is some mistakes in your sources..

Anyway, MY '87 was not 250 hp, at least not stock ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Matt Sheppard

could easily be 250HP at the crank for an '86, but not with the stock software.

Waterguy

Originally posted by Mike:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> There is a M479 code for 'version for Australia', but I can't find anything more in detail as to what that was. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The 1987 and 1988 models of the 944S were detuned for Australia (182 hp versus 188 hp ROW) so that they could run on regular unleaded. Perhaps premium unleaded was unavailable there at the time, so the 951 also had to be detuned to run on regular.

Or maybe M479 is "optional Didgeridoo." <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" />

facboy

actually, u might have something there Don. i have seen a few 944s (and other cars too, come to think of it) with some artistic interpretation of the didgeridoo attached. it sits under the car and has a few post-modern curves and variances in diameter along its length. and they're made out of metal instead of the traditional wood. i thought all cars had them, but now you're telling me that they are peculiar to australia?!?

on a more serious note, definitely food for thought. maybe i will ring the guy up and ask him to tell me the VIN.

there might be something in what pikey says btw. i have seen a chart in my local dealer which shows all porsche models from i forget when up until the 993 turbo, and it definitely lists the Turbo S as being 1987.

Randy_J

<img border="0" alt="[oops]" title="" src="graemlins/oops.gif" />
From Peter Morgan's Book "Original PORSCHE 924/944/968" page 87 Data Section:

MY Model/Mkt # Built Max BHP Max TQ (Nm)
1985 944T/RoW 178 220@5800 330@3500
1986 RoW/US/Can 10,937 220@5800 330@3500
1987 RoW/US/Can 5,073 220@5800 330@3500

1988 944T 2,433* 220@5800 330@3500

1988 944 TurboS 1,635* 250@6000 350@4000
1989 944 Turbo 2,718 250@6000 350@4000
1990 944 Turbo 1,233 250@6000 350@4000
1991 944 Turbo 1,038 250@6000 350@4000

*1988 MY there were 2 versions - the regular Turbo (2433 worldwide) and the 1635 with the "S" package (250@6000 350@4000) - this is always confusing for buyers of 1988 Turbo - whether it is an "S" or regular turbo. Perhaps this is where all the confusion comes from. Sorry, but THERE DEFINITELY IS NO Factory TURBO"S" in 1987 MY! And checking VIN is no good either because Porsche did not separate the "S" from regular turbo VIN #'s. What you can do is check the tail or owners manual decal and look for option code # 758 Special model 944 Turbo 1988
that designates the "S" option Just do a GOOGLE search for Porsche 944 TurboS and you'll find lots of sites with good info.

There are a few telltale signs for a 1988 TurboS that you can spot - big front brakes (12" with bigger calipers from a 928S4), rolled front and back fender lips, wider "machine finished" forged rims, M030 Koni adjustable suspension pcs.

The HP and TQ are all at the crank; a stock 1986 951 has 220@5800 BHP & 330@3500 TQ

<img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

951carter

There are ALOT of errors in Peter Morgan's book, I would advise taking all of the info within with a grain of salt.

350 ft/lbs of torque in a stocker would be great!

The actual #'s are;

K26/6= 217hp 243tq

K26/8= 247hp 243tq

GOBOGIE

Carter beat me to it. 247hp/243tq

Randy_J

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 951carter:
<strong>There are ALOT of errors in Peter Morgan's book, I would advise taking all of the info within with a grain of salt.

350 ft/lbs of torque in a stocker would be great!

The actual #'s are;

K26/6= 217hp 243tq

K26/8= 247hp 243tq</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Peter Morgan reference for TQ is in Newton Meters not lbs/ft.

I've seen the 1988 TurboS listed as 250Hp and then 1989- at 247 before somewhere. But in any event, no 1985/86/87 OEM 944 Turbos with anything &gt;220 HP.

951carter

AH.....you got on that one! I have noticed alot of other errors in his book though. It is not a bad read though.

NZ951

Interestingly, though all 944's came out of the "same" factory, mine was NZ new and did not come with emmission control stuff, ie no cat, no relay for the cat accordingly to prove it was never there! I imagine I must have sneaked in one or two extra HP there! Whooo free HP for me!

Andrew