facboy

well i don't know about peter morgan's book, but the chart i saw in the dealers that said '87 944 Turbo S was a factory chart. and yes i'm aware that this contradicts all the conventional wisdom on the subject.

btw, that was what the guy said, that it had no emissions control and that was why it was more powerful. i thought to check the VIN to find out if it was really an '88 or an '89 and he for some reason has the build date wrong.

pikey7

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by sybelix:
<strong>I'll have to definatelly disagree with your statement;
Turbo S model was made MY 88.5 to somewhat '89 !
NOT '87 , in any market !
All turbo S and post models were delivered with
larger turbocharger ( 26/8, instead the pre S 26/6 )and 184 kw / 250 hp, and lots of other
improvements..

So either you have a '88 S-model manual or there is some mistakes in your sources..

Anyway, MY '87 was not 250 hp, at least not stock ! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You will find that the turbo-s was classified as a MY87 car, as that is when they built them, but they did not go on sale until 88. That is standard Porsche pactice, unlike most othere manufacturers. That is also the common mistake made by people like Peter Morgan. He is technically correct that most (I think i've read somewhere that around 20 cars were sold during 87) wer sold in 88, and has therefore ASSUMED them to be MY88 cars.

There was also during that time, the standard non-s available which did have the lower Hp engine. That's obviously what you have.

Randy, the bigger brakes were also part of the M030 package (along with the Koni's, thicker roll-bars etc.)

Thom

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>Originally posted by pikey7:You will find that the turbo-s was classified as a MY87 car, as that is when they built them, but they did not go on sale until 88. That is standard Porsche pactice, unlike most othere manufacturers.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">As far as I know "MY" means the production year during which the cars were sold.
Therefore there are no turbo S as MY87, but all of them are MY88, or "J" if you prefer, which means the cars were built between August 1st 1987 and July 31st 1988.

I suppose we do not refer to the "MY" term the same way...
By "MY87" do you mean from August 1st 1987 till July 31st 1988 ?

PS : can someone please give an answer to my question in <a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=018872" target="_blank">this thread</a> ?

951Porschiste

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 951carter:
<strong>There are ALOT of errors in Peter Morgan's book, I would advise taking all of the info within with a grain of salt.

350 ft/lbs of torque in a stocker would be great!

The actual #'s are;

K26/6= 217hp 243tq

K26/8= 247hp 243tq</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Which errors specifically ?
I would like to correct your assertion about 350 ft/lbs. The exact wording in the book is:
1986 ROW 944T is 330 NM@rpm which stands for Newton-meters NOT lb ft. The equivalent in lb/ft is indeed around 243 as you mentionned.

Regards

Thom

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 951Porschiste:
<strong>Which errors specifically ?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The ones I picked :

1) p. 97 : "The S2 adopted the 250bhp Turbo's braking system, itself derived from that of the 928 S4"

2) About 951 cab, p. 86 : "...2.5-litre 250 bhp 16-valve turbocharged motor from the coupé"

Any other mistakes spotted ?
I would be happy to know as well.

951carter

It has been years since I read the book, but I do remember spotting quite a few errors in it.

turbinek

As far as I know, it is as simple as that:
Porsche built the 944 turbo

model year engine hp
1985 - 1987 M44/51 220
1988 * " / *M44/52 220 / 250
1989 - (1991) M44/52 250

* = Sondermodell "S" as they started "Porsche-Cup"
(1991) = not sure but I guess the 968 has been introduced

sybelix

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by turbinek:
<strong>As far as I know, it is as simple as that:
Porsche built the 944 turbo

model year engine hp
1985 - 1987 M44/51 220
1988 * " / *M44/52 220 / 250
1989 - (1991) M44/52 250

* = Sondermodell "S" as they started "Porsche-Cup"
(1991) = not sure but I guess the 968 has been introduced</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yup, thats correct.
Except 220 hp was made MY 88 as well, as 951S 250 hp.
Friend of mine has an '88, but it is 220 hp, not 250.

But other wise you are right <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

89951S

HHmm..Correct me if I'm wrong, but i always thought the Turbo S had 258 lb/ft, not 243...?

sybelix

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 89951S:
<strong>HHmm..Correct me if I'm wrong, but i always thought the Turbo S had 258 lb/ft, not 243...?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I believe you are right!
Got to check it from my 951 owners manual..