TO4E Fitment
01-30-2003 | 05:38 PM
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TO4E Fitment
I have Decided on a T04E in 60 trim, with a .63 A/R hot side. Has anyone fitted one of these turbos? Will it bolt up to the crossover pipe or do I need to get a t4/t3 hybrid to allow it to bolt up?
Thanks,
Joe
Thanks,
Joe
01-31-2003 | 01:40 AM
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I think you are looking at too big of a turbo.
Plus you can’t bolt-on a Garrett turbo on your stock crossover pipe and downpipe. And to use a T04E housing you will need to work out some other issues with it not fitting well under the intake. With out other mods.( witch i don’t know by heart)
Did you read up in the search archives?
To use Garrett parts you must use a kkk/Garrett hybrid turbo from the tuners like SFR or get one built by a good turbo shop.
I talked to Kevin at Majestic turbo and he told me how he would build me a hybrid kkk/Garrett.
He said to fit a Garrett compressor wheel and housing on a kkk he need to machine a Garrett t3 turbine wheel into the kkk turbine housing. Then replace the center section to a Garrett and install what ever Garrett compressor wheel and housing you want .
This is what he suggested for me . A T04B housing machined with a 46 trim wheel from the T04E, a T3 center section and a stage 2 T3 turbine wheel machined into my #6 turbine housing.
What i told him i wanted was a fast spooling turbo that can produce an easy 325rwhp..
I also bought the turbo calculator and i think he was right on the money. Plus i think this trim will support even more if i go with a bigger hot side and turbine trim in the future.
What kinda hp are you looking for?
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Plus you can’t bolt-on a Garrett turbo on your stock crossover pipe and downpipe. And to use a T04E housing you will need to work out some other issues with it not fitting well under the intake. With out other mods.( witch i don’t know by heart)
Did you read up in the search archives?
To use Garrett parts you must use a kkk/Garrett hybrid turbo from the tuners like SFR or get one built by a good turbo shop.
I talked to Kevin at Majestic turbo and he told me how he would build me a hybrid kkk/Garrett.
He said to fit a Garrett compressor wheel and housing on a kkk he need to machine a Garrett t3 turbine wheel into the kkk turbine housing. Then replace the center section to a Garrett and install what ever Garrett compressor wheel and housing you want .
This is what he suggested for me . A T04B housing machined with a 46 trim wheel from the T04E, a T3 center section and a stage 2 T3 turbine wheel machined into my #6 turbine housing.
What i told him i wanted was a fast spooling turbo that can produce an easy 325rwhp..
I also bought the turbo calculator and i think he was right on the money. Plus i think this trim will support even more if i go with a bigger hot side and turbine trim in the future.
What kinda hp are you looking for?
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01-31-2003 | 01:58 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Edman951:
<strong>
I talked to Kevin at Majestic turbo and he told me how he would build me a hybrid kkk/Garrett.
He said to fit a Garrett compressor wheel and housing on a kkk he need to machine a Garrett t3 turbine wheel into the kkk turbine housing. Then replace the center section to a Garrett and install what ever Garrett compressor wheel and housing you want .
This is what he suggested for me . A T04B housing machined with a 46 trim wheel from the T04E, a T3 center section and a stage 2 T3 turbine wheel machined into my #6 turbine housing.
What i told him i wanted was a fast spooling turbo that can produce an easy 325rwhp..
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thats exactly what I told him I wanted, and exactly what he suggested to me. For around 700 bucks too.
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I talked to Kevin at Majestic turbo and he told me how he would build me a hybrid kkk/Garrett.
He said to fit a Garrett compressor wheel and housing on a kkk he need to machine a Garrett t3 turbine wheel into the kkk turbine housing. Then replace the center section to a Garrett and install what ever Garrett compressor wheel and housing you want .
This is what he suggested for me . A T04B housing machined with a 46 trim wheel from the T04E, a T3 center section and a stage 2 T3 turbine wheel machined into my #6 turbine housing.
What i told him i wanted was a fast spooling turbo that can produce an easy 325rwhp..
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thats exactly what I told him I wanted, and exactly what he suggested to me. For around 700 bucks too.
01-31-2003 | 05:22 PM
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Majestic builds the turbos sold by Huntley and probably others as well. My HR Stg2 turbo is a T04E 50 trim, with a 0.63A/R compressor housing (3" intake!!), and a #8 KKK hotside with Garrett internals. This turbo is good for about 315rwhp at 16psi and about 350rwhp at 20psi. My mechanic had LOTS of trouble getting it to fit!!! NOT a bolt-on procedure as advertised. Involved machining of the underside of the intake manifold and throttle body, etc. But I must say, it's an awesome turbo. I love it.
01-31-2003 | 06:56 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by IanM:
<strong>Majestic builds the turbos sold by Huntley and probably others as well. My HR Stg2 turbo is a T04E 50 trim, with a 0.63A/R compressor housing (3" intake!!), and a #8 KKK hotside with Garrett internals.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I thought the .63 A/R refers to the exhaust housing (which HR turbos don't use) and the 50 trim refers to the compressor housing (what you have).
Anyways, I have the Huntley Stage 3 turbo, and I *believe* the specs are Garett M24(???) 60 trim, and #8 KKK hotside. The housing has M24 on it, so I dunno what that means. I read somewhere that the M24 turbos were used in diesel busses and trucks, I can't find 'em new anywhere. Anyone know what's inscribed on the compressor housing of the T04E's? Maybe M24 means something else...
When Marc installed my turbo, he didn't have too much of a problem with it clearing the intake manifold. He had more problems with another customer trying to install a K27.
<strong>Majestic builds the turbos sold by Huntley and probably others as well. My HR Stg2 turbo is a T04E 50 trim, with a 0.63A/R compressor housing (3" intake!!), and a #8 KKK hotside with Garrett internals.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I thought the .63 A/R refers to the exhaust housing (which HR turbos don't use) and the 50 trim refers to the compressor housing (what you have).
Anyways, I have the Huntley Stage 3 turbo, and I *believe* the specs are Garett M24(???) 60 trim, and #8 KKK hotside. The housing has M24 on it, so I dunno what that means. I read somewhere that the M24 turbos were used in diesel busses and trucks, I can't find 'em new anywhere. Anyone know what's inscribed on the compressor housing of the T04E's? Maybe M24 means something else...
When Marc installed my turbo, he didn't have too much of a problem with it clearing the intake manifold. He had more problems with another customer trying to install a K27.
01-31-2003 | 09:07 PM
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I remember talking with IanM about this when he got this HR-Stg.2 turbo. My HR-Stg.2 was a ball-bearing TO4B-50 turbo; completely different from Ian's. From talking with others out there, it appears Huntley used 4 completely different turbos and called them all "Stage-2".
Not a big problem fitting the TO4E turbo on the 951, but not simple either. Just have to make a custom water-pipe for the cooling system. Some people like to cut & grind a groove into the compressor-housing itself to clear a stock but bent water-pipe, but I don't like that approach.
Then you also need a J-pipe with a 3" outlet. Actually the ID of the turbo's inlet is only 70mm/2.75" so it's best to match that up to the J-pipe so there's no ledge at the transition. You also want a J-pipe that's completely mated up to the turbo all the way around.
Not a big problem fitting the TO4E turbo on the 951, but not simple either. Just have to make a custom water-pipe for the cooling system. Some people like to cut & grind a groove into the compressor-housing itself to clear a stock but bent water-pipe, but I don't like that approach.
Then you also need a J-pipe with a 3" outlet. Actually the ID of the turbo's inlet is only 70mm/2.75" so it's best to match that up to the J-pipe so there's no ledge at the transition. You also want a J-pipe that's completely mated up to the turbo all the way around.
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01-31-2003 | 09:32 PM
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Hey Rage,
I'm no turbo expert, perhaps I'm confused. I remember seeing photos of your turbo, and your compressor housing looks identical to mine. I believe my internals are smaller though (50 trim instead of your 60 trim). My compressor housing reads something like "Garrett M24 0.6 A/R"
Strange that yours fit no problem seeing as our housings were the same size, because my mechanic had to do a lot more than just bend that water line to make it all fit. And my engine was out of the car on a stand when he was installing it too.
Danno,
Yah, Derrek told me that he changed the specs on their "Stage 2" turbos, and for whatever reason mine has the same size comp. housing as Rage's Stage 3. BTW, my turbos inlet is 3", and the ID tapers down from just under 3" to 2.75" where the impeller blades are. But there's no ledge, just a nice smooth transition. I've got some pics somewhere, I could post it.
I'm no turbo expert, perhaps I'm confused. I remember seeing photos of your turbo, and your compressor housing looks identical to mine. I believe my internals are smaller though (50 trim instead of your 60 trim). My compressor housing reads something like "Garrett M24 0.6 A/R"
Strange that yours fit no problem seeing as our housings were the same size, because my mechanic had to do a lot more than just bend that water line to make it all fit. And my engine was out of the car on a stand when he was installing it too.
Danno,
Yah, Derrek told me that he changed the specs on their "Stage 2" turbos, and for whatever reason mine has the same size comp. housing as Rage's Stage 3. BTW, my turbos inlet is 3", and the ID tapers down from just under 3" to 2.75" where the impeller blades are. But there's no ledge, just a nice smooth transition. I've got some pics somewhere, I could post it.
01-31-2003 | 09:35 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> Anyone know what's inscribed on the compressor housing of the T04E's? Maybe M24 means something else...
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02-01-2003 | 02:25 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by IanM:
<strong>Hey Rage,
I'm no turbo expert, perhaps I'm confused. I remember seeing photos of your turbo, and your compressor housing looks identical to mine. I believe my internals are smaller though (50 trim instead of your 60 trim). My compressor housing reads something like "Garrett M24 0.6 A/R"</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">hehe I'm no turbo expert either, and yes, our compressor housing are the same. So I guess the internals are different... I dont think I got a stage 2, I'm making really big power with the turbo. I got a little more information on the M24, it's actually a T28. Seeing the T04E with a M43 marking means the Mxx number is just a code name maybe for their marketing names (T28, T04E, etc). Gotta figure out the Garrett naming scheme.
I gotta start learning how to read compressor maps too, something I've been meaning to do for a while. I've even bought a copy of Maximum boost (but it's sitting here on the floor)
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by IanM:
<strong>Strange that yours fit no problem seeing as our housings were the same size, because my mechanic had to do a lot more than just bend that water line to make it all fit. And my engine was out of the car on a stand when he was installing it too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I asked Marc again, and I guess my memory's a bit spotty. The K27 was much easier to install . Here's a quote from him :
Marc says:
the water line was a real chore
Marc says:
the intake manifold and throttle body hit. so did the engine mount braket the turbo bolts to.
Marc says:
other than that it fit right in
Marc says:
lots of grinding on the manifold, mount compressor housing. unbrazing the coolant pipe assembly and brazing in a longer segment, fitting a lower profile turbo temp sensor
Marc says:
the k27 is 1/4 the work
<strong>Hey Rage,
I'm no turbo expert, perhaps I'm confused. I remember seeing photos of your turbo, and your compressor housing looks identical to mine. I believe my internals are smaller though (50 trim instead of your 60 trim). My compressor housing reads something like "Garrett M24 0.6 A/R"</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">hehe I'm no turbo expert either, and yes, our compressor housing are the same. So I guess the internals are different... I dont think I got a stage 2, I'm making really big power with the turbo. I got a little more information on the M24, it's actually a T28. Seeing the T04E with a M43 marking means the Mxx number is just a code name maybe for their marketing names (T28, T04E, etc). Gotta figure out the Garrett naming scheme.
I gotta start learning how to read compressor maps too, something I've been meaning to do for a while. I've even bought a copy of Maximum boost (but it's sitting here on the floor)
.</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by IanM:
<strong>Strange that yours fit no problem seeing as our housings were the same size, because my mechanic had to do a lot more than just bend that water line to make it all fit. And my engine was out of the car on a stand when he was installing it too.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I asked Marc again, and I guess my memory's a bit spotty. The K27 was much easier to install
. Here's a quote from him :Marc says:
the water line was a real chore
Marc says:
the intake manifold and throttle body hit. so did the engine mount braket the turbo bolts to.
Marc says:
other than that it fit right in
Marc says:
lots of grinding on the manifold, mount compressor housing. unbrazing the coolant pipe assembly and brazing in a longer segment, fitting a lower profile turbo temp sensor
Marc says:
the k27 is 1/4 the work
02-01-2003 | 03:06 AM
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I'm pretty sure m24 means t04e, check out the picture on this site. All the t04e turbo he sells all have a m24 marking
<a href="http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html" target="_blank">http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html</a>
<a href="http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html" target="_blank">http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html</a>
02-01-2003 | 03:14 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Edman951:
<strong>I'm pretty sure m24 means t04e, check out the picture on this site. All the t04e turbo he sells all have a m24 marking
<a href="http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html" target="_blank">http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Odd, guess the site I read M24 == T28 is incorrect. Kind of strange that the T04E picture that David posted has an M43 marking.
<strong>I'm pretty sure m24 means t04e, check out the picture on this site. All the t04e turbo he sells all have a m24 marking
<a href="http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html" target="_blank">http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.html</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Odd, guess the site I read M24 == T28 is incorrect. Kind of strange that the T04E picture that David posted has an M43 marking.
02-01-2003 | 03:49 PM
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I noticed that in David picture the housing is a .50 A/R and maybe that why his is a m43.
All of the m24 on the site i posted read .60 A/R m24.
The A/R difference could be why the numbers are'nt the same.
<img src="http://store4.yimg.com/I/cheapturbo_1725_14489" alt=" - " />
All of the m24 on the site i posted read .60 A/R m24.
The A/R difference could be why the numbers are'nt the same.
<img src="http://store4.yimg.com/I/cheapturbo_1725_14489" alt=" - " />