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Those rates look to be far lighter than what I would have thought based on the amount of body roll I could see through Scott's in-car camera (looking at the cars directly in front of him).
I run a 450lbs/650lbs setup (front/rear with no torsion bars) and it's very soft on the track running R compounds.
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I run a 450lbs/650lbs setup (front/rear with no torsion bars) and it's very soft on the track running R compounds.
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Re the springs, I found that shifting up to 800/900lb springs was fine on R specs but when I used the slicks recently I all of a sudden had much more body roll. Of course this is obvious but it was a bit startling all the same.
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For sprint races, those cars had 300+ hp just through DME changes (I heard 3 options were available; sprint, race, and enduro).
A friend managed to buy a DME from 'a little old lady' that had been unopened. Noticed his car felt noticably quicker. Turns out it was likely a Turbo Cup box w/ one of the sprint chips. I think he dyno'd >270 at the rear wheels, all the while claiming he was able to pull me on the straights due to higher exit speeds.
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Lots of little things add up – magnesium wheels and intakes manifolds….if the factory went to the bother of casting magnesium intake manifolds you could bet that they found other ways to save as well!
I did get a chuckle out of Scott bumping the wipers several times – very common for newbee 944 track drivers!
I did get a chuckle out of Scott bumping the wipers several times – very common for newbee 944 track drivers!
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Why they did the sump and intake manifold in magnesium is a mystery given all the parts they left stock.
I don't disagree they were lighter, but often the Cup cars are given more credit than they deserve (except for the historical value which is great, but another thing)
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The Canadian cars came with a single chip set installed in the DME/KLR with tamper proof seals. These chips were equivalent to the Escort sprint (275) chips. But - the rumor is that many of the Canadian Cups were found with drilled cycling valves, jetted banjo bolts, tampered WGs, etc...
Easy to tell the Cup DME/KLRs – they have a black label on them and the seal on the edge which says Type CUP CAR. The part numbers also end in – 05 for both units.
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If you didn’t catch these videos posted on the other thread or on the youtube autosearch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y487sBUILTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDM-BwwZB8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsGKc6NBdI
Here is Scott Goodyear's car from the outside:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y487sBUILTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDM-BwwZB8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCsGKc6NBdI
Here is Scott Goodyear's car from the outside:
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It would make sense, but that's not the case from the Cup cars I've seen. IMHO very little work done to the Cup cars that makes any big difference.
…. often the Cup cars are given more credit than they deserve (except for the historical value which is great, but another thing)
…. often the Cup cars are given more credit than they deserve (except for the historical value which is great, but another thing)
Much of what little myth and mystique there is surrounding the “Turbo Cup” cars comes from those early days, when no significant aftermarket upgrades were available for 951s. These days, performance-wise, there are no original Cup parts that cannot be equaled or improved on with aftermarket suspension pieces and basic weight reduction. Any additional value of a Cup versus an equal prepared production car, is controlled only by the rarity of the VIN and unique racing history – which is similar (although not anywhere near the same scale) to many of the rare 911 S, RS, & Cup versions. The performance can be replicated and exceeded for less money than an original.
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This is supposed to be a cup rear muffler (which I didn't know when I bought it), it's made by Fuchs in Germany.
The part from the muffler to the front section looks to be same as all other Turbos so I'm not sure if this is what was on the cup cars.
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The part from the muffler to the front section looks to be same as all other Turbos so I'm not sure if this is what was on the cup cars.
/Dea