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Old 12-01-2010, 05:17 PM
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Default Profec B spec boost controller w/ Lindsey Dual Port Wastegate

Hi All
I have the Profec B spec ( the one with the large solenoid )
I just spent the better part of 2 hours searching this board for info on how to set up this wastegate / ebc combo ... Not a single thread relating to both ...
I know most who have this controller ( seems too be very few, at that ) have a Tial Wastegate ...
Any help, on how to configure this combo, would be greatly appreciated...
The directions, although in English, seems to be what, few can understand...
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Ps I am looking at mounting the solenoid near the battery as another rennlister has done unless someone has a better idea ? This is going to be another on of those, "Fitting 10 lbs of $hit in a 5 lb bag.....
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wondering the same thing. Hooked up as the Linsday site has it and the waste gate never opened.
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From RL: Greddy/Tial setup

Here's an old write-up I saved from an Evo forum. It might help. It has better engrish than the manual.

Before you begin, you should have an idea of what you're aiming for. For EVOs, 19psi (131 kPa) seems to be a safe setting based on what people on the forums have found since it is close to what the stock boost pressure is, yet there is an increase in power due to the Greddy unit keeping the boost close to 19psi while the stock boost tapers off as the RPMs increase. I will henceforth refer to what you're aiming for as "desired boost pressure".

Definitions and things you need to know before you start:

SET This is how you set the boost pressure. Rather than setting it in psi or kPa, the Greddy unit allows you to adjust it as a percentage value, from 0% (greddy unit essentially turned off) to 100% (greddy unit will set the boost as high as it can). This setup demands a certain amount of trial-and-error to properly configure it since you have to make adjustments, then drive under WOT (Wide Open Throttle) and see what the maximum boost pressure achieved was throughout the entire RPM range. SET SHOULD BE SET TO A CONSERVATIVE VALUE WHEN BEGINNING TO TUNE YOUR GREDDY UNIT. 30% SEEMS TO BE A CONSERVATIVE SETTING BASED ON MY TESTING AND BASED ON OTHER REPORTED NUMBERS FROM EVO OWNERS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE LINK BETWEEN SET AND GAIN (see GAIN below).

GAIN is defined in the manual as the value to adjust the "boost consistency". You don't really need to know exactly what that means. You should set GAIN to 0 when beginning, and you will then test the car under WOT while paying attention to the boost pressure. If the boost goes up and then falls off at higher RPM, you will want to increase the GAIN by a conservative amount (5% should be relatively conservative to begin with, then when you want to fine-tune it, you can go down to intervals of 1%). When you increase the GAIN value, the corresponding boost that you will go up to will be higher even if you leave the SET value alone. GAIN SHOULD BE SET TO 0 WHEN BEGINNING TO TUNE YOUR GREDDY UNIT.

START BOOST (also known as SET GAIN because that is what is displayed on the unit when adjusting this setting) is the lowest boost that the Greddy unit will begin increasing the boost from under WOT. You want this to be as close to the SET value as possible, since you want to keep as close to your desired boost as possible. However, setting it too close to the SET value will cause the boost to spike. You should set this to a conservative setting when beginning to tune your Greddy unit. Then you can fine-tune it later to get it as close to the SET value as possible without causing the boost to spike. Fortunately, you can set this in psi or kPa, thankfully Greddy didn't decide to let this be adjustable in % like the SET value. START BOOST SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR DESIRED BOOST PRESSURE MINUS 4 PSI (about 28 kPa).

WARNING is the maximum boost that you do not want to exceed. Fortunately, you can also set this in psi or kPa like the START BOOST value. When the boost exceeds the WARNING level, it will kick in the LIMITER, which decreases the boost a certain amount that you can set. WARNING SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR DESIRED BOOST PRESSURE PLUS 1 PSI (about 7 kPa).

LIMITER is the boost percentage that the Greddy unit will lower to when the WARNING boost pressure is hit. LIMITER SHOULD BE SET TO YOUR SET VALUE MINUS 4%.

PEAK is the peak boost value that the unit has seen since the last time it was cleared. To clear it, go to the peak boost display, and hold down the set **** until the unit beeps and "---" is displayed. IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO CLEAR THIS BEFORE YOU BEGIN JUST IN CASE YOUR UNIT HAS A HIGH BOOST ALREADY RECORDED.

LAST BOOST shows you the last boost that was recorded every time the accelerator is released for 3 seconds. TURN LAST BOOST ON BECAUSE IT IS A GOOD DIAGNOSTIC TOOL WHEN TUNING YOUR UNIT.

Keep in mind that when displaying in kPa, it does not show it technically in kPa, but rather misleadingly in bars, which Greddy inconveniently tries to justify by sticking x100 kPa next to the display. Therefore, 100 kPa will be displayed as 1.00 x100 kPa. Psi will also unfortunately be displayed in psi x10 so that 19 psi will show as 190, adding to the confusion.

Another very important thing to keep in mind is that when you first power on your car or the Greddy unit, WARNING will be set to 14.5 psi (100kPa, or 1 bar) until you interact with the Greddy unit by pressing any button. This "feature" is not documented in the manual.

Also keep in mind that atmospheric conditions affect the operation of your boost controller. When it is hot, you will get different results than when it is cold. One possible way of solving this issue is tuning your Greddy unit under the "Lo" mode for when it is relatively cold, and under the "High" mode for when it is relatively hot. Unfortunately, two modes are hardly enough for somebody that needs to account for very different summer and winter climates, and also for more aggressive settings for when increased performance is desired.

The maximum boost that you will see is also not consistent throughout the gears, which adds even more to the confusion. Unfortunately, if you've already increased your start boost to the maximum setting that doesn't give you surging, then there seems to be no way to get around this variance in boost pressure from low to high gears. I don't know if this is a limitation of the greddy unit specifically, or if it's something inherent to electronic boost controllers in general. The only two things that you can do to compensate is the following:

1. Set it to the "safest" of the settings that does not trip your limiter. To do this, tune the unit to your desired boost pressure in fifth gear.

2. Tune the "Lo" and "Hi" settings corresponding to having the boost maximized during the low gears and during the high gears. This would require you to manually hit the button to switch to the "Hi" setting when you shift to third gear or whatever you started tuning your "Hi" setting at. This is why Greddy makes the wireless remote switch that straps to your steering wheel to switch between "Hi" and "Lo" settings.



The following steps should be taken in exactly this order, taking into consideration all of the previous information:
1. Change boost pressure units to psi if so desired (see manual).
2. Set WARNING to your desired boost pressure plus 1 psi (about 7 kPa) (see above).
3. Set START BOOST (SET GAIN) to your desired boost pressure minus 4 psi (about 28 kPa)(see above).
4. Clear PEAK boost value (see above).
5. Set LAST BOOST to ON (see above).
6. Set GAIN to 0 (see above).
7. Set SET to 30% (see above).
8. Set LIMITER to SET minus 4% (26% if you followed #7).
9. Test for boost falloff at high rpm. You should probably do this in a wide open area with no other cars nearby and preferably no cops. It is also good to have somebody in the car with you that can watch the gauge while you concentrate on not wrecking your car. If there is no boost falloff, then go to #10. If there is boost falloff, then increase the GAIN by 5% and test again. Keep in mind that when you increase the GAIN value, the corresponding boost that you will go up to will be higher even if you leave the SET value alone. Repeat until the boost pressure does not decrease, or until you feel surging. If you feel surging and the boost pressure still decreases (not sure if this is possible) then decrease to the last level that you did not feel surging at.
10. Increase SET by 2% and adjust LIMITER accordingly, then test again. Keep increasing by 2% until desired boost level is obtained.
11. Increase START BOOST (SET GAIN) by 1 increment and test until surging is felt or the WARNING level is hit and the display turns red, then decrease to the previous setting.

Once you have followed these steps, you will have roughly tuned your unit. To fine-tune it, repeat steps 9 and 10 except this time only increase or decrease by 1 increment.
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Originally Posted by VOoDOoGTX
wondering the same thing. Hooked up as the Linsday site has it and the waste gate never opened.
Their site has been a bit slow, it seems lately. Send me an email or pm me your address and I will send you what I got off their site a while back, but I don't believe that is the end all, as to how its done with the Profec B spec
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From RL: Greddy/Tial setup

Here's an old write-up I saved from an Evo forum. It might help. It has better engrish than the manual.
Thanks Steve
I was more interested in ( at the present ) just getting the hook ups correct ( i.e. what hose to where ) Then I could uses the above info
But thanks as I am sure it will come in handy All the best
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Here is the last of the directions w/o pictures As per their website

We assume at this point you have the boost controller installed and the are ready to connect the two lines.

Connect the boost pressures line (from the banjo bolt) to the top port on the wastegate. (YELLOW)

Connect the control line from the regulator to the side port on the wastegate. (BLUE)
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Installing a dual port wastegate and boost controller eliminates the use for the cyclic valve which is located under the intake manifold at the back.

We need to address the old lines attaching it.

The metal line coming out from under the front of the intake manifold that used to be attached to the banjo bolt can be left alone and un-plugged. (RED)

The line from the cycling valve to the old wastegate can be left alone.

The rubber hose that used to connect to the second metal line (YELLOW) coming out from under the intake manifold (GREEN) needs to be plugged. Otherwise we have a intake air leak. You can leave the metal line open.
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Another option for this hose is to remove it and plug at the intake boot by cutting the clamp and pulling it out. (BLUE) You can slide a bolt or some other similar plug into the hole and install a hose clamp to secure it. You will need to remove the intercooler pipe (WHITE) to acess it.

This completes the installation of the wastegate.

Enjoy!
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Old 12-01-2010, 07:55 PM
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I have this exact setup, it was installed on the car when I got it, but I could get some pics snapped for you if you want to see it hooked up in the car, just let me know.
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Originally Posted by pudges951
I have this exact setup, it was installed on the car when I got it, but I could get some pics snapped for you if you want to see it hooked up in the car, just let me know.
I would love it !!! Thanks so much .. I would like to see it all
Thanks very much
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no prob.... I'll see if I can get the pics tomorrow night after work for ya
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Originally Posted by pudges951
no prob.... I'll see if I can get the pics tomorrow night after work for ya
Thanks Bud
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Not sure is the Profec value (SET) = boost offset adjustment, but my HKS EVC does. Normally all the EBC adjust in the same way, first find out the base boost by turning the gain in 0, then decrease/increase the SET to hit higher boost value. In some case, the SET decrease will increase the Boost or vice versa, its subject to the WG type setting in the EBC. E.g If you still use K26/8 with DP WG, basically u can assume the default boost setting at 0.8 bar, its just a number to set the boost properly. So turn the Gain in 0, then adjust the SET only until the boost can hit 0.8 bar. Then adjust the desire boost by turning the Gain, if the boost is over the limit, adjust the SET decrease/increase again to reach the boost level. Then the turbo can spool smoothly w/o any boost spike. Thats what the way I set the HKS EVC.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Eddie
Thanks Bud
Regards
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Pics sent Ed, just let me know that you got them...
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Originally Posted by pudges951
Pics sent Ed, just let me know that you got them...
Hey Bud
Yes, I emailed you back as soon as I got them last night
Thanks very much ... Sadly your set up is a bit different than what mine needs to be
I have a cruise control motor where your solenoid is and I have a Lindsey dual port wastegate ( I only guessing, that yours isn't, by the way the hoses are set up?)
Regardless, thanks for help
Best regards
Ed
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Originally Posted by pudges951
Pics sent Ed, just let me know that you got them...
See my post
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Originally Posted by Crazy Eddie
See my post
Best regards
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I didnt get the email, strange, ill hav to check my junk folder. I don't have cruise, but i do have a dual port wastegate...
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There is room behind the battery for the large solenoid and a factory bracket for mounting.




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