Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Got my new transmission oil cooler kit

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-28-2010 | 07:30 PM
  #16  
LS1Porch's Avatar
LS1Porch
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Nuke City, NM
Default

I realize the non-cooled transmissions don't have the pump, so obviously an external electric pump is required, but i don't see the downside to cooling a transmission this way either..?
Old 01-28-2010 | 11:39 PM
  #17  
Silver Rose's Avatar
Silver Rose
Instructor
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
From: Kansas City
Default

Sorry, I wasn't try to insult, but now that we are all on the same page.
I don't see any issues with using the drain and fill plugs. As long as you are cooling fluid there should not be any issue with that approch.
Old 01-29-2010 | 02:29 AM
  #18  
TonyG's Avatar
TonyG
Rennlist Junkie Forever
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 5,978
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Los Angeles
Default

Originally Posted by Silver Rose
Sorry, I wasn't try to insult, but now that we are all on the same page.
I don't see any issues with using the drain and fill plugs. As long as you are cooling fluid there should not be any issue with that approch.
Using the dain and fill plugs will cool the oil hitting the R&P but won't do much for the gear stack, which is why the factory cooler pumps oil back in to the end of the transmission... which is where the cool oil is really needed.


TonyG
Old 01-29-2010 | 03:57 AM
  #19  
savvas944's Avatar
savvas944
Instructor
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: bahrain
Default

Nice oil cooler kit,and better flexibility than the oil loop
Any plans to market it and any ideas about the price?
Old 01-29-2010 | 04:03 AM
  #20  
Olli Snellman's Avatar
Olli Snellman
Thread Starter
Race Car
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,479
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
From: Finland
Default

Olli, I'm curious why you'd point to the thread about TonyG's trans cooler as an example of the downside of this. I didn't see anything bad there.
Since english is not my native lanquage, i am not sure did i understood you correctly.
I put Tony's set up there, because i think it is just a perfect way to cool originally non-cooled transmission. That would be my route to go as well if i had a non-cooled trans.

I edited my previous post to more understandable form. Sometimes it just difficult to write understandable english, i do it better in finnish

Any plans to market it and any ideas about the price?
I am not allowed to advertise here
Old 01-29-2010 | 09:26 AM
  #21  
Bri Bro's Avatar
Bri Bro
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,384
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Real nice setup olli, I am sending you a PM. Using the drain/fill plugs will directly cool the LSD and R&P in the diff and the LSD does generate a fair amount of heat. I also seems to me that if the oil is cooler, the entire tranny will be cooler. I really don't want to drill and tap holes in the trany unless it is being rebuilt.
Old 01-29-2010 | 12:37 PM
  #22  
TonyG's Avatar
TonyG
Rennlist Junkie Forever
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 5,978
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Los Angeles
Default

BTW, the reason I use non-cool, non-lsd turbo transmissions because they are cheap ($250-$500 used).

If I blow up the tranny, I can easily swap in my Guard GT LSD and swap the rear cover (which I have tapped in the factory location with -6 AN fitting) and be back in business for real cheap.


As far as just cooling the oil in the R&P area (using the fill and drain plugs).... It's better than nothing, but isn't good enough for track use with a LSD car.

TonyG
Old 01-30-2010 | 08:04 AM
  #23  
ajrlredondo's Avatar
ajrlredondo
Advanced
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Madrid
Default adapters

Originally Posted by Olli Snellman
My old cooler was in very bad shape. New one is quite expensive and i also wanted something else. After a planning session with my friend, he fabricated a new cooler kit for me. Here's how it turned out

Hello:

I am interested on the adapters for the oil cooler. Can you tell me where can I find them.

Thanks in advance and regards

Alejandro Redondo
Old 01-31-2010 | 12:54 AM
  #24  
Spidey944's Avatar
Spidey944
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,481
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

I still love this idea that user Redlineman used.
Attached Images   
Old 01-31-2010 | 01:11 AM
  #25  
aixgelo78's Avatar
aixgelo78
Instructor
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 205
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ajrlredondo
Hello:

I am interested on the adapters for the oil cooler. Can you tell me where can I find them.

Thanks in advance and regards

Alejandro Redondo

Me too!!!
Old 01-31-2010 | 01:56 AM
  #26  
Marc Shaw's Avatar
Marc Shaw
Super Duper Moderator
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,774
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 13 Posts
From: YQU
Default

Originally Posted by Olli Snellman
I am not allowed to advertise here
You are correct, sir.

Marc
Old 01-31-2010 | 04:45 AM
  #27  
TRP951's Avatar
TRP951
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,085
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Buffalo, NY
Default

Originally Posted by TonyG
BTW, the reason I use non-cool, non-lsd turbo transmissions because they are cheap ($250-$500 used).

If I blow up the tranny, I can easily swap in my Guard GT LSD and swap the rear cover (which I have tapped in the factory location with -6 AN fitting) and be back in business for real cheap.


As far as just cooling the oil in the R&P area (using the fill and drain plugs).... It's better than nothing, but isn't good enough for track use with a LSD car.

TonyG
Is it that easy to swap the LSD unit from trans to trans? I thought you needed some special tools etc. If its not that big of a deal I might just go that route and swap a LSD in myself
Old 01-31-2010 | 06:46 AM
  #28  
derekvg's Avatar
derekvg
Track Day
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 18
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Delft, Netherlands
Default

any of you guys measure temps on your transmission??

my experience that the porsche design is NOT for track use.

on my 165HP trackcar the stock transmission went up to 175 celcius and more, if i continued driving.
thats 347 fahrenheit or maybe even more if you continue racing without taking a cooling down break.

at that temperature your transmission will blow, eventually. (and thats what they do regularly, dont they? )


i got a cooler with a cooling fan, and an electric pump from Mocal.
but even now, if i drive too long the temperature will be too high.
so this season i'm planning to get a bigger radiator (at least 300x150 mm).

a picture of my current setup: (the air-scoop is now replaced by a electric fan, since the scoop wasn't resistand to driving next to the track. )

Old 01-31-2010 | 12:53 PM
  #29  
Bri Bro's Avatar
Bri Bro
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,384
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by TRP951
Is it that easy to swap the LSD unit from trans to trans? I thought you needed some special tools etc. If its not that big of a deal I might just go that route and swap a LSD in myself
No special tools, you need to put in shims to set the backlash. You will need a dial indicator to measure the play. If you pull the LSD with the bearings, it should go in without changing the shims. If you already had several sets of shims, you install a certain size stated in the factory manual, measure the amount of movement, then do a little math to determine the correct shim to use. You are replacing shims 11 in the picture.

Once you get past the diff and into the gears, you need a press.

Last edited by Bri Bro; 01-31-2010 at 06:06 PM.
Old 01-31-2010 | 01:32 PM
  #30  
V2Rocket's Avatar
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,595
Received 665 Likes on 518 Posts
From: Nashville, TN
Default

Originally Posted by Spidey944
I still love this idea that user Redlineman used.
it looks nice and appears well thought out but i think placing it next to the muffler defeats the purpose somewhat...


Quick Reply: Got my new transmission oil cooler kit



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 06:20 AM.