Mega Squirt DIY KIT
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Well if you blow it up on the dyno, then the dyno operator or tuner is doing something wrong. Unless it was a hardware failure i dont see how you would lose timing? The settings are the settings.
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There is a growing number of folks that belive the MS system ocassionaly (not very often - but it only takes once at the right time) has an igniton timing glitch due to soemthing in the code. It has happened to a number of people. I know of some dyno operators that won't allow MS cars on his dyno anymore.
Hmmm...MS=Megasquirt......MS=Microsoft.....
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Jerry from DIYAutoTune.com here for full disclosure . Call me biased as you may, but I'd have to challenge that MegaSquirt EFI has a 'random grenade' sequence in the code making your spark timing go haywire at inopportune moments that cause motors to randomly explode. While bugs are always possible in any code, the MS code goes from alpha, to beta, to release, and by the time it's in release it's solid. Does that mean perfect? Is any code perfect? Maybe not, but I've heard professional tuners argue that the MS code is more solid than other systems, that you won't see me or my team going around pooing on in the name of self-promotion, we do what we do, and do it well. They do what they do, and it works well too. Cool.
But any idea of being afraid of MegaSquirt because it's affordable is just hogwash. Or disliking it because a tuner had a bad experience (more on this in a minute). I can list just as many tuners that love MS and will tell you it's just as good as any other EMS out there. We've have a world record on the salt flats, running on some of our oldest hardware. We have wins in club racing (enduros even, talk about requiring consistency and being abusive), in drag racing, etc, etc. The system is solid. The implementation, well, that's up to the user or installer, and with possibly more systems out there than any other EMS, often installed by DIYers, sure there has been room for error in the install department. But properly installed, rock solid.
I think any idea of weakness in the MS comes from the implementation rather than the design. I tune commercially here at my shop on a DynaPack 4000 from time to time, core purpose of the dyno is R&D, but we do some commercial tuning too. I've seen professionally installed systems come in rock solid, and I've seen 'professionally' installed systems in need of help, with rough wiring and miswiring. I've seen DIY installed setups come in clean, and I've seen DIY setups come in with grounds to rusty body panels and wire nuts holding things together. MegaSquirt is so massively flexible that it allows you to use an huge list of factory components, ignition trigger wheels, ignitors, coils, etc. Different components require different settings to support them. This requires some knowledge and willingness to do a bit of research to set things up right for your vehicle if you're blazing a new trail. It gives you the flexibility to set the system up for just about any car on the road, and it gives you the flexibility to burn your ignitor up with the output settings inverted, or too much dwell. But you did that, not the MS, it gave you the power to succeed or fail, and most succeed.
If a tuner has seen an improperly setup system come in and fail on their dyno, I can understand why they'd be shy. But when you've seen 249mph land speed cars, 10sec flat drag cars, and multiple front of the pack club racers running these systems consistently, and when you've tuned well over a hundred cars and never had some 'random unexplained timing grenade incident', you don't question, you know. This system is rock solid when properly installed and tuned. And would any system be rock solid if it wasn't?
Jerry a.k.a. 'FoundSoul'
www.diyautotune.com
But any idea of being afraid of MegaSquirt because it's affordable is just hogwash. Or disliking it because a tuner had a bad experience (more on this in a minute). I can list just as many tuners that love MS and will tell you it's just as good as any other EMS out there. We've have a world record on the salt flats, running on some of our oldest hardware. We have wins in club racing (enduros even, talk about requiring consistency and being abusive), in drag racing, etc, etc. The system is solid. The implementation, well, that's up to the user or installer, and with possibly more systems out there than any other EMS, often installed by DIYers, sure there has been room for error in the install department. But properly installed, rock solid.
I think any idea of weakness in the MS comes from the implementation rather than the design. I tune commercially here at my shop on a DynaPack 4000 from time to time, core purpose of the dyno is R&D, but we do some commercial tuning too. I've seen professionally installed systems come in rock solid, and I've seen 'professionally' installed systems in need of help, with rough wiring and miswiring. I've seen DIY installed setups come in clean, and I've seen DIY setups come in with grounds to rusty body panels and wire nuts holding things together. MegaSquirt is so massively flexible that it allows you to use an huge list of factory components, ignition trigger wheels, ignitors, coils, etc. Different components require different settings to support them. This requires some knowledge and willingness to do a bit of research to set things up right for your vehicle if you're blazing a new trail. It gives you the flexibility to set the system up for just about any car on the road, and it gives you the flexibility to burn your ignitor up with the output settings inverted, or too much dwell. But you did that, not the MS, it gave you the power to succeed or fail, and most succeed.
If a tuner has seen an improperly setup system come in and fail on their dyno, I can understand why they'd be shy. But when you've seen 249mph land speed cars, 10sec flat drag cars, and multiple front of the pack club racers running these systems consistently, and when you've tuned well over a hundred cars and never had some 'random unexplained timing grenade incident', you don't question, you know. This system is rock solid when properly installed and tuned. And would any system be rock solid if it wasn't?
Jerry a.k.a. 'FoundSoul'
www.diyautotune.com
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Jerry's post actually has the "ring of truth" to it.
I have seen the same thing with various stand alone installs. The installation is as important as the ECU. In addition the more versatile and powerful the ECU the greater the chance of tuning errors. (Which is why I always stress customer support is critical to success with a standalone system).
The ‘problem’ with the MS systems that I have heard about may be just that – installer/tuning errors. Hard to tell unless a lot of forensic research is done.
I have seen the same thing with various stand alone installs. The installation is as important as the ECU. In addition the more versatile and powerful the ECU the greater the chance of tuning errors. (Which is why I always stress customer support is critical to success with a standalone system).
The ‘problem’ with the MS systems that I have heard about may be just that – installer/tuning errors. Hard to tell unless a lot of forensic research is done.
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JustinL the Diy Kit with a Ford EDIS trigger would take care of the trigger issue correct? Additional cost for crank trigger but that would work won't it? It,s more work and expensive than I want to deal with at the moment but I want to know how close this is to a semi plug and play.
Here's my old thread: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ht=microsquirt
There should be some info that can help others get up and running. I noticed that my .msq links are broken, so I'll have to dig those out again and post them up.
With the Turbo S, I'm using MS2 extra for fuel, boost and next season launch control.
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Knowing the nature of megasquirt, I would bet there has been more than one dyno operator that has been blamed for wrecking an engine when its in fact the installer that causes the failure. It's much easier for most people to blame someone else than to make a bone headed mistake and take responsibility for it.
I'm not gonna say the MS code is perfect or without flaw, but the released versions of the code are pretty tidy.
I guess what we need is someone to come in, make a plug and play kit for the 951 and put it inside a box labeled something besides megasquirt then charge $2500 for it and people here would buy it.
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Jerry,
The only downfall with the MS kit is the two KEY components missing that all the other kits have.
BEER AND HOOKERS
Include these and yours will most definitely be included
On a serious note, +1 on the "who is doing the tuning"......I am going through this myself with a different kit. And what was fool proof was not so fool proof.....or maybe it was the fool that was proofing (myself included in that statement).
The only downfall with the MS kit is the two KEY components missing that all the other kits have.
BEER AND HOOKERS
Include these and yours will most definitely be included
On a serious note, +1 on the "who is doing the tuning"......I am going through this myself with a different kit. And what was fool proof was not so fool proof.....or maybe it was the fool that was proofing (myself included in that statement).
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Can't help with the hookers, but come on down to the shop one night and we can have a beer and a stogie... do that every week or two here with a small group.
Last edited by FoundSoul; 11-17-2009 at 04:01 PM.
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Mega Squirt DIY Kit for the 951 with Ford EDIS( ditch the speed referencing sensors) and the ability to use the KLK to control Knock? Is that to much to ask for?
Mega Squirt DIY Kit for the 951 with Ford EDIS( ditch the speed referencing sensors) and the ability to use the KLK to control Knock? Is that to much to ask for?