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Old 07-13-2009 | 05:55 PM
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Looks great as always, Duke. Congrats on the off jack stands adventure.
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Originally Posted by Duke
Thanks all.
The color is Rainforest Green, it's a pearl effects color that came on the 996.
The wheels are not the regular cup's. They are 18" Gemballa LeMans made by Speedline.
I have the same wheels on my turbo, 8 and 10 x 18, I haven't seen many 944's with them fitted.
Old 07-13-2009 | 06:53 PM
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Old 07-13-2009 | 07:44 PM
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^good god thats beautiful.

Dude what can I say. Your car is simply stunning! We need more info! How much timing advance? Also why are you running such low fuel pressure? Do you think you could clear your boost goals by going 2-3bar of fuel pressure?

I only ask because I'm running 83lb injectors and a 044 pump and I have hopes for 22ish psi at 3bar fuel pressure.
Old 07-13-2009 | 07:50 PM
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John,
I don't see where he states his base FP...?


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Old 07-13-2009 | 08:00 PM
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I don't see where he states his base FP...?


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He states 1.25 here. Unless he means 1.25 bar boost pressure but, I don't think so because he just stated he was only running .9-1.0bar boost pressure.

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Oh and I were just out datalogging a few runs. Seems I'm hitting 103% duty cycle on the 1000 CC injectors at 1.25 bar @ 7000 rpm. I have a set of 1600 CC waiting to go in but the 044 pump is close to maxing out so I can't raise the boost..
Old 07-13-2009 | 08:08 PM
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Ah, I read it as he started at ~.9bar boost for the E85 conversion, then upped it to 1.25bar boost but then maxxed his fuel setup.

I'm sure Duke can clarify it for us


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no way he is running 1.25 bar fuel pressure. That's 19psi - the injectors wouldn't function. That is boost, baby.
Old 07-14-2009 | 05:24 AM
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If he's maxing out 100lb injs it's way more than 1.25 fp.
Duke what fpr are you going to run with those 160s?
Old 07-14-2009 | 05:54 AM
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First of all, thanks a lot for all the comments! It's appreciated

Originally Posted by blown 944
Since you have a nice management logging setup it would be interesting to compare spoolup with the added timing.
It would be pretty obvious I would think considering the turbo.
I'd like to compare some things too
Unfortunatly I don't have any good data logs from earlier this season to compare spoolup. At the same time EGT goes down both from added advance and the fuel itself so I'm not sure if the spoolup will be reduced. But even if the spoolup isn't reduced I think the transitional acceleration will be faster due to the added power. Let's compare stuff

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A quick quistion, what kind of tire's are you running?
Bridgestone RE540S. An old R-compound tire.

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Congrats on the off jack stands adventure.
Oh don't worry, I'm sure it won't be long before hitting the jackstands again lol

Originally Posted by blade7
I have the same wheels on my turbo, 8 and 10 x 18, I haven't seen many 944's with them fitted.
Nice car, I haven't seen any other 944/968's with them either. I have slightly wider wheels, 8.5" and 11" rear. I need to space them out a bit though. They sit too far in. 3 degrees of negative camber also tend to tuck the wheels in.

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We need more info! How much timing advance? Also why are you running such low fuel pressure?
I only ask because I'm running 83lb injectors and a 044 pump and I have hopes for 22ish psi at 3bar fuel pressure.
When I'm through with this tank of fuel I will add another 2 deegrees of advance. I've been working a lot on the ignition and the result is a map that is pretty aggressive compared to others. I have very little backpressure too which also helps. You really need to ramp up the ignition at higher revs on these engins. Currently at 7000 rpm and 1.2 bar of boost I have 28.5 deg advance. Not something I recommend as a base setting

My fuel pressure is 3.0 bar static. I'm maxing out the 1000 CC injectors at 1.2 bar but I'm still in the tuning process so I'm running too rich.
I will run the 1600 CC injectors at 2.5 bar static FP.
But I'm close to maxing out the fuel pump so I don't know if I'll switch injectors until another pump is in place. 1000 CC x 4 cyl x 100% DC equals 4 liter per minute which is almost at the 044 pump limit.
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Originally Posted by Duke
Nice car, I haven't seen any other 944/968's with them either. I have slightly wider wheels, 8.5" and 11" rear. I need to space them out a bit though. They sit too far in. 3 degrees of negative camber also tend to tuck the wheels in.
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Thanks, yours looks excellent in that colour too. I have a set of KW's ready to go on when I have time to reindex the torsion bars, should have a similar ride height to your setup then.
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:14 AM
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How quickly are you going through a tank of E85 Duke, when on boost? I find I can go through it really pretty quick, especially at the track. I have to take 4 20lt Jerry Cans just in case as back up. I want to play with the advance too. I haven't touched mine yet. How are you logging knock though? Do you have the Knock Block?
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:27 AM
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Well at 100% DC it consumes about 4 liter a minute
Logging knock with knock block and listening through headphones.
Not much use tuning for knock on E85 though so you have to be sure your base ignition map is sorted before switching.
Old 07-14-2009 | 09:28 AM
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Oh and it's when you start playing with advance the real advantages of E85 shines through.
Will be doing some tuning this afternoon. I'm excited about the 60-100 mph time at 1.2 bar.
Old 07-14-2009 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke
Well at 100% DC it consumes about 4 liter a minute
holy crap haha

not sure about the specifics of ethanol vs gasoline (weight per volume, actual energy content per voilume) but with some extremely crude and most likely incorrect math i just did if you were burning gasoline at that rate itd put you around 750HP. is that accurate at all? lol


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