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Old 12-02-2008, 01:53 AM
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Well I'm finally in a position where I can afford to begin this project!

My intent is to keep this thread updated, but this project has JUST begun so there probably won't be many updates at first.

Here is my plan:

Block - 944 S2 block (MID sleeves, 106mm bore)
Crank - 3L crank (knife edged, balanced)
Pistons - Wossner
Rods - Pauter
Head - 2.7 (Turbo exhaust valves/valve springs)
Turbo - Vitesse Stg V
Engine management - TecGT
Misc - I/J crank scraper/windage tray, larger injectors, LEDA coilovers, Dynatech strut brace, Elephant Racing polybroze spring plate bushings, semi-solid engine mounts

I am COMPLETELY open to any and all advice while completing this project so please feel free to drop any info into this thread. I'm also upgrading the suspension as well to (more than likely) KW3s and will be putting big blacks up front.

As of right now I'm running SFR Stg 1 headers and will be upgrading to upgrade to the Stg 2 unit. I also have the 2 piece xover pipe so hopefully all I'll need to change is the short pipe.

The engine will be built by Chris White.

Tomorrow I begin the hunt for a block. If anyone has a good lead the please post here or shoot me a PM. Cylinder condition does not matter.

Here is the car that it will be going in (original engine will be kept and stored):


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Old 12-02-2008, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ModdedEverything951S View Post
Tomorrow I begin the hunt for a 968 long block. If anyone has a good lead the please post here or shoot me a PM. Cylinder condition does not matter.
I have a few, but all mine are currently in use. Didn't "Lemming" blow up one of his 3 968 motors this summer? I'd shoot him a PM to see what the condition of his block is.

Good luck with the project!
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:19 AM
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"Well I'm finally in a position where I can afford to begin this project!"
what a brilliant thing to say for so many of us .I wonder when I'll be able to afford to finish mine
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by josephsc View Post
I have a few, but all mine are currently in use. Didn't "Lemming" blow up one of his 3 968 motors this summer? I'd shoot him a PM to see what the condition of his block is.

Good luck with the project!
The block is toast along with the oil pan Crank looks to be in good condition but will be sent off to be measured. Not sure if I will sell the crank or keep it as a spare at this point.
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Old 12-02-2008, 12:55 PM
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Talk to the guys at John Milledge Engineering about your crank needs. They're the best in the business. (or so I've heard)
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Best of luck to you in your build.
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Originally Posted by ModdedEverything951S View Post
Here is my initial plan:

Block - 968 block (MID sleeves, 104mm bore)
Crank - 968 crank (what modifications are recommended for the crank?)
Pistons - Wossner
Rods - Wossner
Head - 2.7 (I'm going to have porting and polishing done)
Turbo - undecided as of now
Engine management - TecGT
Misc - I/J crank scraper, S/M catch can, FMIC (looking at the SFR unit), larger injectors (currently running 55lbers)
If you're going to use a 3,0l block, why don't you go directly to 104,50 mm Mahle pistons from Andial?

Turbo: Holset HX40 super ( or similar twin scroll one ) You'll need customized engine mount and intake, but it's worth the job.
Injectors: You'll need at least 83 pounders...


Originally Posted by ModdedEverything951S View Post
I am COMPLETELY open to any and all advice while completing this project so please feel free to drop any info into this thread.

As of right now I'm running SFR Stg 1 headers and don't know if I'm going to upgrade to the Stg 2 unit. I also have the 2 piece xover pipe so hopefully all I'll need to change is the short pipe.

The engine will be built by Chris White.
Chris is good.

See Sid's thread about twin scroll and go for it too. You already have those SFR headers, so that's easy to continue with. Merge WG pipes together just before the WG ( TiAL 60 ).
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Originally Posted by pete95zhn View Post
If you're going to use a 3,0l block, why don't you go directly to 104,50 mm Mahle pistons from Andial?

Turbo: Holset HX40 super ( or similar twin scroll one ) You'll need customized engine mount and intake, but it's worth the job.
Injectors: You'll need at least 83 pounders...

Chris is good.

See Sid's thread about twin scroll and go for it too. You already have those SFR headers, so that's easy to continue with. Merge WG pipes together just before the WG ( TiAL 60 ).
Thanks for the advice on the turbo. I've been reading Sids thread on the twin scroll and it looks interesting. I'm wondering what switching to SFR Stg 2 headers would do with torque? I've heard they shift the torque band to the right .

I'm going with the Wossner pistons for a couple reasons, but mostly because Andial doesn't have any sets in stock and when I talked to them, they weren't making anymore soon. The Wossners are also a tad bit cheaper and will be easier to work with as far as custom work goes.
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why MID?

just wondering
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Why 8v and not 16v head?
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Old 12-02-2008, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorax View Post
why MID?

just wondering
I've seen quite a few successful builds with them and they come highly recommended from Chris White.

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Why 8v and not 16v head?
Already have SFR Stg 1 headers for the 8v head and plan on using my current intake. Plus I don't want to have an intake manifold custom made.

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Originally Posted by ModdedEverything951S View Post
I've seen quite a few successful builds with them and they come highly recommended from Chris White.



Already have SFR Stg 1 headers for the 8v head and plan on using my current intake. Plus I don't want to have an intake manifold custom made.
If you decide to go to stage II headers, let me know FIRST, as I may be willing to take the stage I's off of your hands.
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Originally Posted by ehall View Post
If you decide to go to stage II headers, let me know FIRST, as I may be willing to take the stage I's off of your hands.
You're actually second in line...a lister has been waiting about a year already...
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I will have a 968 engine late next week.
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Originally Posted by fast951 View Post
I will have a 868 engine late next week.
What do you want for it? Is it a long block?
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