Review of 968 box in a 951
10-09-2008, 01:54 AM
#32
Drifting
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Hi Rob,
I also installed the new LR semi solid bushings on the motor mounts to lower the motor a bit to clear my strut brace. The PB bushings can be relubed, and now they are as stock in terms of noise. Love them, trust me, they are awesome as far as response.
Noise is just a lube squirt away.
My car is what I wanted from the beginning. If I could clone it's power/handling I think Porsche could sell it today for a profit.
I've finally got my favorite car close to perfection. It's a beast, and street legal. We are making things better as time permits, but this is my favorite performance car to date. I've had 23 in 17 years of marriage. My wife counts them.
George
I also installed the new LR semi solid bushings on the motor mounts to lower the motor a bit to clear my strut brace. The PB bushings can be relubed, and now they are as stock in terms of noise. Love them, trust me, they are awesome as far as response.
Noise is just a lube squirt away.
My car is what I wanted from the beginning. If I could clone it's power/handling I think Porsche could sell it today for a profit.
I've finally got my favorite car close to perfection. It's a beast, and street legal. We are making things better as time permits, but this is my favorite performance car to date. I've had 23 in 17 years of marriage. My wife counts them.
George
10-09-2008, 02:10 AM
#33
Drifting
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Know that after we corner balance the car, the folks that did the original alignment will correct any minimal difference for free for six months. This includes corner balance not done by them when they know who is doing them. Silly at how they think it's me when wearing a tie dropping the car for service.
They did ask that after the corner balance I take the car to them to make sure that everything was up to spec. These folks are awesome in doing what they do for a living.
I'll bring them lunch for the trouble. I truly enjoy them liking our cars. They know our cars are a bitch to work on. I truly appreciate the shop for taking the time to take care of their customers.
Every Euro shop in Tucson sends their race/street cars here. Great service and good folks doing what I can't for a reasonable fee.
George
They did ask that after the corner balance I take the car to them to make sure that everything was up to spec. These folks are awesome in doing what they do for a living.
I'll bring them lunch for the trouble. I truly enjoy them liking our cars. They know our cars are a bitch to work on. I truly appreciate the shop for taking the time to take care of their customers.
Every Euro shop in Tucson sends their race/street cars here. Great service and good folks doing what I can't for a reasonable fee.
George
Corner balance is such a minimal change in ride height that I would not worry about doing it after an alignment, so long as the ride heights are close. Optimally you are right Van. If this was a track car only I would agree that the corner balance should be done before the alignment. But the scales are not with us yet and George really wanted to drive his baby so the 1-2 week delay in driving was not an option.
10-09-2008, 07:50 AM
#34
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An impressive sounding shop George.
10-09-2008, 08:48 AM
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Hi Rob,
I also installed the new LR semi solid bushings on the motor mounts to lower the motor a bit to clear my strut brace. The PB bushings can be relubed, and now they are as stock in terms of noise. Love them, trust me, they are awesome as far as response. Noise is just a lube squirt away.
I also installed the new LR semi solid bushings on the motor mounts to lower the motor a bit to clear my strut brace. The PB bushings can be relubed, and now they are as stock in terms of noise. Love them, trust me, they are awesome as far as response. Noise is just a lube squirt away.
10-09-2008, 05:04 PM
#36
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George,
I've always heard about 968s having rattling noises and vibrations when switching to a single mass flywheel. I just converted my '93 to a 951 TT and S2 flywheel, and I have the rattling now. Do you experience this with your 6-speed now?
I assume when you had your engine built you had the rotating mass lightened and balanced? I'm wondering if you don't experience the rattling it might be because your engine was balanced. TIA.
I've always heard about 968s having rattling noises and vibrations when switching to a single mass flywheel. I just converted my '93 to a 951 TT and S2 flywheel, and I have the rattling now. Do you experience this with your 6-speed now?
I assume when you had your engine built you had the rotating mass lightened and balanced? I'm wondering if you don't experience the rattling it might be because your engine was balanced. TIA.
10-09-2008, 05:17 PM
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You're welcome Rob lol
10-10-2008, 01:12 PM
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Know that after we corner balance the car, the folks that did the original alignment will correct any minimal difference for free for six months. This includes corner balance not done by them when they know who is doing them. Silly at how they think it's me when wearing a tie dropping the car for service.
They did ask that after the corner balance I take the car to them to make sure that everything was up to spec. These folks are awesome in doing what they do for a living.
I'll bring them lunch for the trouble. I truly enjoy them liking our cars. They know our cars are a bitch to work on. I truly appreciate the shop for taking the time to take care of their customers.
Every Euro shop in Tucson sends their race/street cars here. Great service and good folks doing what I can't for a reasonable fee.
George
They did ask that after the corner balance I take the car to them to make sure that everything was up to spec. These folks are awesome in doing what they do for a living.
I'll bring them lunch for the trouble. I truly enjoy them liking our cars. They know our cars are a bitch to work on. I truly appreciate the shop for taking the time to take care of their customers.
Every Euro shop in Tucson sends their race/street cars here. Great service and good folks doing what I can't for a reasonable fee.
George
10-10-2008, 06:18 PM
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^^LOL^^
10-12-2008, 09:48 PM
#41
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First off, I've not noticed any difference in corner balancing my car on the race track. None at all.
Secondly, the car will not be level (left to right) if you corner balance it.
Thirdly, the reason you must align the car after corner balancing is that as your wheels move through their arc, they toe in and/or toe out (bump steer) depending on where the wheel is in its arc.
That said, when you corner balance the car, and since the car won't sit symmetrically left to right, that means that the left and right wheels are in different positions in their respective arcs, which means that each wheel will have a different toe (than if it was sitting with symmetry left to right).
Personally, unless you have dedicated track car, I would not bother with corner balancing (and even then, I question the effectiveness on the 944 chassis).
TonyG
Secondly, the car will not be level (left to right) if you corner balance it.
Thirdly, the reason you must align the car after corner balancing is that as your wheels move through their arc, they toe in and/or toe out (bump steer) depending on where the wheel is in its arc.
That said, when you corner balance the car, and since the car won't sit symmetrically left to right, that means that the left and right wheels are in different positions in their respective arcs, which means that each wheel will have a different toe (than if it was sitting with symmetry left to right).
Personally, unless you have dedicated track car, I would not bother with corner balancing (and even then, I question the effectiveness on the 944 chassis).
TonyG
10-13-2008, 03:25 PM
#42
Three Wheelin'
Sorry to steal this thread slightly, but if anybody is interested, I just got back my original 968 gears from my original mechanic...at least 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th gears...from when we did my turbo 968 conversion.
If interested in these gears, please E-mail me...
flamthrowr@aol.com
If interested in these gears, please E-mail me...
flamthrowr@aol.com
10-13-2008, 05:07 PM
#43
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For the small cost, I recommend it for everyone!
10-13-2008, 05:32 PM
#44
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I disagree. I noticed an immediate improvement on the track when I corner balanced my car - it was off a bit, but I could instantly tell that there was a more even weight transfer between left and right hand turns. Before, my car was biased to turning left, which made it harder to "set" for right hand turns.
For the small cost, I recommend it for everyone!
For the small cost, I recommend it for everyone!
I tried it again with this 951 and couldn't tell a difference.
I guess it might depend on how well the car is setup to begin with.
Then again, maybe I'm just not going fast enough to tell the difference :-)
I do know that each time I did it the car looked silly due to the difference in left and right side ride heights.
TonyG
10-13-2008, 05:45 PM
#45
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George,
I'd be interested in your opinions of the stiffer motor mounts as compared to stock. Does it seem to increase cabin noise/vibration?
I'd be interested in your opinions of the stiffer motor mounts as compared to stock. Does it seem to increase cabin noise/vibration?