Rich Sandor

anders, what springs did you go with and what was the valving of the shocks? (front and rear)

anders44

people keep asking and I keep forgetting! I'll search my notes and see what comes up for springrates, as for valving I specified it would be a car that would see 95% tracktime, and 5% road(transport) of that tracktime 90% would be nürburgring, so it's not a very hard setup as it's a bouncy track, if I was to setup for spa-francochamps valving and springs would be totall different.

gt37vgt

i love to see some more data on that black and yellow 996 maybe it did post a better time with the KWs but a car like that is under constant development what tires and power and weather was it compared to erlier when it had bilstens on it
also the dates i saw the car with bilstiens on it . if there on black and yellow beast i will concede they are better as they would change for .1 second a km but i wonder how much better at double the price .

RajDatta

Thanks Nick. That is exactly what i was looking for. I guess I will be contacting you offline.
Raj

gt37vgt

it seems that Patrick Simon did this kw promoted record run of 7.18 in august 2005 i saw the car in a magazine six months ago it had bilstein stickers on it . funny thing is it appairs to have the bilstien stickers on it 2005 as well but there are no good photos available to prove iether way

DVC

Anders- I'm running 500lb rears with deleted t-bars on the V3's. I thought I recall you saying you ran 120N? Or is that with the 2-way race?

I think you may be chasing your tail here, if you're trying to compare. You realize that the 996 Bilstein application is different than what's available for our cars? The 951 application is antiquated technology, developed in the 80's.

951and944S

You made the same sort of statement regarding the Koni on the issue of "technology".

Dude....., Koni has amassed 225 FIA Formula 1 victories (while we're talking racing) and 13 Formula 1 world championships.

That's the pinnacle in motorsport in case you just parachuted onto the planet.

McLaren Mercedes used Koni dampers for the 2007 season, that's not to mention the saturation of Koni damped cars filling grids all over the world from NASCAR-German Touring car.

Koni (and I imagine Bilstein as well) are constantly developing new technology and lead the world in this regard, the statements you put forth are as if Koni and Bilstein development has been stagnant since 1985.....!?!?!

As in the case above, McLaren, with an F1 budget of $300M USD per year could obviously have any dampers they desired.

I'm not saying that the converted twin adjustable Koni option for our cars is the ultimate option.....but the spherical ended 3012 lightweight aluminum bodied damper, available in nearly infinite valving, stroke and length is as good as it gets short of external reservoir types.

I'm not knocking the KWs, if you are pleased and they fit your needs then that's great, I looked at them myself.....but please....to suggest that KW has some sort of "magical" damping technology edge over a global company like Koni Holland is laughable.....!

T

reno808

Raj i can give you a ride in my 951 with the escorts if you want

DVC

When did I mention Koni technology? I honestly can't recall. I have driven both setups though, have you?

No doubt, and it is impressive. Do you think this tech is finding it's way into the 951 applications, or later model cars? Having driven both, I can tell you there seems to be a significant difference in the later model setups.

Why, on a 944/951/968, is it that the Koni's and Bilstein Escort ride like a covered wagon in comparison to the V3? I'm talking same spring rates but a noticeable difference in both ride quality and TRACTION. Why?

333pg333

That's right Travis. It's no use comparing brand to brand outright. They all will have cutting edge tech available to those that pay the big $, but we have to compare products that are available to us as 944 drivers.
Again, if others have anything that they feel is superior to the KW's then that's only a good thing as the KW's are really great. The bottom line is all the guys who have them, like them. If you love Bilstein Escort Cups or whatever, then that's your prerogative too. Democracy, who would have guessed? lol

Geneqco

Hi Raj,

I'm interested in what ytou can tell me about your Koni setup and why you want to change them. what series are the front ones?


Also, i undersatnd that KW's are s/s rather than aluminium. Wouldn't aluminium be better at dissipating heat and also lighter? Any thoughts on this, anyone?

Thanks

333pg333

Yes probably lighter Scott but by how much I don't know. I believe that the main reason that KW's went to S/S was purely as an non corrosive material. As you know throughout Europe and UK they have salt on some roads and this is why they made the change. Not sure about the heat dissipation factor? I'm sure it may be the case but they would have weighed up their options. S'pose it wouldn't hurt to have a few different case materials.

DVC

Right on! It looks like I'll get the chance to drive the Moton Club Sports in the next couple of weeks, and I'll report my findings.

Here's an interesting quote from Sports Car International, that describes the KW's better than I could. It's regarding the Hennessey Viper 800R (800hp N/A V10) and 1000 (1000hp TT V10):

"But the single most impressive change wrought on the stock Viper is a relatively simple one. Hennessey has opted to replace the standard shocks and springs with KW multi-adjustable coil-overs.

The 800R's ride is smooth and well-controlled, even over dodgy surfaces, with no loss of steering precision or cornering power. It's not soft by any means, but compliant in a way the stock car can't match.

All the chassis improvements for the 800R are found under the 1000. Including the magical coil-over units. That means the 1000 also delivers an exceptional ride and confidence building stopping power, plus crisp, direct steering and a flat cornering stance."

944CS

http://www.nyxracing.com/variant-coi...e-p-14436.html

cheapest I've seen

SpeedBump

autoanything.com has them for $2,362.95 shipped and there is a $20 coupon on their home page. I know a couple of people who have bought them from there.