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I have to admit, americans makes some very nice engines, the chevy lsx series is among them. we in europe just can't compete to that v8 sound ****. and that light and powerfull.. hell yeah! when I finish my 951 build a 948 will follow some time or another.
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How many American winners are there?
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Are you having a laugh?
http://www.ukintpress.com/engineofth...revious04.html
How many American winners are there?
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How many American winners are there?
Even I must admit, Andrew...
When you consider:
-Mass of package
-Volume of package
-Fuel efficiency of package
-Cost to produce package
-STRESS on package
The ls6 looks damn good.
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But fair enough I am sure its a capable motor, just doesnt set the world on fire compared to the rest
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[QUOTE=davepnola;4623941]Audi is beating everyone in their TDI Formula 1 Car !! QUOTE]
If you mean ALMS car(not F1), wrong again. The Porsche RS spider has been killing them this year and the Spider runs in a slower class!
If you mean ALMS car(not F1), wrong again. The Porsche RS spider has been killing them this year and the Spider runs in a slower class!
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What can I say negative about the 951? The AC systems are sub par (in 115 degree heat), and the motor doesn't make enough low end torque to lug it around in 2 gear in stop and go traffic. Outside of that not too much. Personally I love the frequent maintenance, endless oil leaks, hatch rattles, 16 hour clutch change jobs, having to order just about every part, broken CV’s, finicky sunroofs, 137 cooling hoses, un-fused battery cables that run across the complete motor near the exhaust, leaky fuel lines, 200 engine bolts, broken timing belts, lower ball joint failures, rusted batter tray areas, cracked headers, hi-tech crank case ventilation system, #2 rod bearing failures, $65 oil changes, $100 dollar cap and rotor sets, specialized honing equipment, and did I mention oil leaks?
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Seriously though, the 951 is my favorite car. It’s just not a car for everyone. I drove it daily for 7 years and has become a bit too extreme for that anymore. I also drive 100 miles a day and I hate to put it through that. I bought the Z because I wanted a car that had rock solid AC, great low end torque, low maintenance, local parts availability, cheap and easy modding, and could hold its own at track events. A secondary consideration was if I wrecked it, scratched it, someone stole it, or a bird **** on it I wouldn’t care because I could pick another one up tomorrow. I looked at E46 m3’s, Vipers, 996’s, and the Z was the best value for the dollar (to be honest it performed better) and matched my requirements the closest. I drive my cars very hard and maintain them fanatically.
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What can I say negative about the 951? The AC systems are sub par (in 115 degree heat), and the motor doesn't make enough low end torque to lug it around in 2 gear in stop and go traffic. Outside of that not too much. Personally I love the frequent maintenance, endless oil leaks, hatch rattles, 16 hour clutch change jobs, having to order just about every part, broken CV’s, finicky sunroofs, 137 cooling hoses, un-fused battery cables that run across the complete motor near the exhaust, leaky fuel lines, 200 engine bolts, broken timing belts, lower ball joint failures, rusted batter tray areas, cracked headers, hi-tech crank case ventilation system, #2 rod bearing failures, $65 oil changes, $100 dollar cap and rotor sets, specialized honing equipment, and did I mention oil leaks?![ducking](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/icon107.gif)
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Well if you consider the cost of the LS6 motor as well as the 50 year old technology and power potential it's pretty awesome. Remember it's an SOHV pushrod motor that gets 20+MPG in the city, has just one cam, no fancy variable cam timing or intake runners, and revs to 6500 all day long. Believe it or not is is considered a low emissions engine as well. What does a brand new complete S65 cost? How have those engines held up in race environments? GM tried a "fancy" V8 in the ZR-1 (designed by Lotus) and all it did was add cost, maintenance, and unreliability. Back in the day this motor "set the world on fire". Oh yeah this was in 1993 making 405 HP NA so Toyota and BMW aren't necessarily leading the pack as far as high-output NA V8's go, they're just catching up and doing it by adding a ton of cost and that doesn't impress me at all.
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Well if you consider the cost of the LS6 motor as well as the 50 year old technology and power potential it's pretty awesome. Remember it's an SOHV pushrod motor that gets 20+MPG in the city, has just one cam, no fancy variable cam timing or intake runners, and revs to 6500 all day long. Believe it or not is is considered a low emissions engine as well. What does a brand new complete S65 cost? How have those engines held up in race environments? GM tried a "fancy" V8 in the ZR-1 (designed by Lotus) and all it did was add cost, maintenance, and unreliability. Back in the day this motor "set the world on fire". Oh yeah this was in 1993 making 405 HP NA so Toyota and BMW aren't necessarily leading the pack as far as high-output NA V8's go, they're just catching up and doing it by adding a ton of cost and that doesn't impress me at all.
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Well if you consider the cost of the LS6 motor as well as the 50 year old technology and power potential it's pretty awesome. Remember it's an SOHV pushrod motor that gets 20+MPG in the city, has just one cam, no fancy variable cam timing or intake runners, and revs to 6500 all day long. Believe it or not is is considered a low emissions engine as well. What does a brand new complete S65 cost? How have those engines held up in race environments? GM tried a "fancy" V8 in the ZR-1 (designed by Lotus) and all it did was add cost, maintenance, and unreliability. Back in the day this motor "set the world on fire". Oh yeah this was in 1993 making 405 HP NA so Toyota and BMW aren't necessarily leading the pack as far as high-output NA V8's go, they're just catching up and doing it by adding a ton of cost and that doesn't impress me at all.
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The 1UZ has a rev limit of 6500 factory and goes over 7000 all day.
I dont know about the S65 cost, I am sure its lots though!
The LS6 I saw with over 400HP was the 2002 variant not 1993?
The technology / cost Toyota have added in twin cams, variable cam and intake have made it a more powerful motor, which the reliability is really incredibly impressive and cheap to maintain... it also comes in ambulances. They kinda need to be reliable.