TRP951

You can find a good IC that would fit for 160?

AlexE

Mine was an ebay special. 200 bucks.

THe max width is 24"-25" between the two rails with a core size width of 18".

I could box it up and sell it for 1000 bucks if it will make everyone feel warm and fuzzy.

Porschefile

I don't know 100% for a fact that it will fit perfectly, however as you can see from ST's pic, it fits between the headlights and fits between the bumper support though it might require a bit of "massaging" to cram in there. The only potential issue I see is the 3" inlet/outlet. It looks to me (and it appears ST's pic confirms this as it looks like he's done a bit of cutting) like the 3" piping will require some of the radiator support area (don't know if that's really the proper term) to be cut away to fit properly. I'll take measurements and update everyone soon when I get to this point. Sorry for a lack of specifics but, I don't have my 951 here at the moment so I really can't do much.

This is the one I bought: Link

That's a bit too thick for the average 951 owner's power levels and is geared more towards high power levels. For something more moderate like 300-400hp, one of these would bit a bit better of an idea and should still fit just fine: Link

I also bought a IC piping kit from the same seller, and everything was very high quality, especially for the price. The aluminum piping is good quality (not cheap cast stuff or pot metal) and the couplers are reinforced kind of like Samco hoses, so they aren't some cheap thin couplers. As far as the performance of the IC goes, it's tough to say as I haven't exactly used it. Honestly though, if it has a few psi more pressure drop then say a considerably more expensive core, I really could care less as it's like 1/5th of the cost and still gets the job done.

I'll post some pics and info about the install hopefully in the next few weeks.

schnellfahrer

I really don't understand why none of the tuners offer a reasonably priced intercooler for our cars.
I know there are many people like me who will not go to the trouble of trying to find something that will fit and then try to fab parts to install it.
Seems like someone could easily put together a kit for ~$200, add instructions and sell it for $400.
I'd buy it, and I'm sure many others would too.

333pg333

Can you guys illustrate just what you mean here as far as ducting through the hood for the radiator please? I am going for a similarly situated version and the core I'm using will provide lot's of flow for the radiator, but I could always use more.
Thanks

evil 944t

Patrick, ST emailed me this.. maybe this pic helps.. I'm not sure if its true.

badmofofosho

I picked up a FMIC from Ebay too for my 937 project...



Core = 18"X12"X3"
Overall = 25" Wide w/ 3" In/Out

Cost $130

My plan is to run a low profile puller fan between the IC and the Rad to help air flow. Is this necessary or no?

Tms951

But that does not mean it can realy "handle" it, if it could handle it why are you upgrading? Your response seems misleading to me, I don't actualy think the stock intercooler can handle that sort of power in the real would. Your glory run on the dyno is different and that power curve was ugly. Do you have any IAT logs of that run?

robinsonracing

The way I understand it that HP really is not the key but air flow more of a factor. Basically stock head, No need for more than a stage two IC ( stock w/upgraded ends) until you increase the head flow pass say stage two then there is a call for better IC. So a stage two could hold 400rwhp no problem as most common upgrades put you. So crazy mods = crazy custom IC, common upgrades + slightly altered IC otherwise you loose low end air pressure in the IC if you go to big IC without the right flow.
Brian

special tool

Why do you always chastize me answering a direct question by the ****ing thread starter, kid????
I answered the ****ing question.
Don't read into my statements.
OBVIOUSLY (to a non-moron) the stock cooler is not good for sustained 600 HP.

Bri Bro

Tool, how the heck do you connect the IC pipes to that beast? I like were you stored the front clip, you should see were mine is resting.

evil 944t

Brian,

I understand what your saying but and your on the right track but, think of it this way.

If you change the boost levels then, you are pushing more air through the stock engine. The IC, IC pipes, head, intake and t-body were not intended to move that "new" amount of air. Changing one part of the puzzle creates a bottleneck somewhere else.

You can get away with putting a huge turbo on the motor "making" the existing parts work but they will be operating out of their effeciency range.

Even with "common" upgrades, its best to improve the t-body, intake and IC, Then you can put your large turbo on there and "make" the head work. You should always think of it as a system.

ps- don't forget about the exhaust too.

Porschefile

Another aspect to consider is intake air temps. While a stock or modded stock IC might "support" a certain power level, in many cases using larger components will provide for less restriction (the whole grape through a straw analogy) which will reduce intake temps, which ultimately will result in more power and can have the benefit of increased reliability (as a result of less "stress" on the setup).. The stock IC has a really small inlet and outlet, an odd shaped bend to the end tank on one side, and doesn't have a huge amount of surface area. Of course there are other bottlenecks such as the throttle body, intake manifold, stock head ports, etc. Though, that doesn't mean that there still aren't beneficial improvements you can make to these pre-port components. It's the same concept as increasing exhaust diameter when increasing boost pressure or generating more power in other ways on a turbocharged car. The smaller the diameter, the hotter the airflow temps and the harder the engine has to work. The flip side is there is a balance as going too large in some areas (generally everything on the pre-turbine and intake airflow side) can cause undesirable side effects like increased lag, loss of low-end power, etc. It's been my experience that the size of all the intake side components on our cars is pretty small and poses a definite restriction on 300+whp cars.

The stock IC is really nice for a stock turbocharged car, as most tend to have crappy small side-mount IC's that aren't too efficient. However, personally I feel that a thinner IC (isn't the stock one ~5" thick or so? can't remember) with more total surface area and larger inlet/outlet would be a much better idea for typical 300+whp setups. The end tank mod is definitely a cheap and easy way to go about it though, and we've seen plenty of dyno evidence in the past that this alone is definitely an improvement.

Robinsonracing, you're right that technically IC size should be measured by the intended airflow volume. However, generally specific horsepower levels require certain airflow volumes, so people generally "measure" these things in horsepower as it is a bit easier to judge that way. It's a matter of semantics to most I guess.

333pg333

Now that's what I'm talking 'bout!

333pg333

If we look at increasing the size of all these pre-port components, what part does the actual turbo inlet/outlet play? For example if we have a 2" outlet isn't this the restriction from the get go?