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Old 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HansB
Right.

To avoid understeer we run 951 racers with equal tiresizes F/R 285 - 305 depending on make and model.
Just to clarify this Hans, are you saying that you sometimes run 305's at the front?? Or 285 f - 305 r ? Do you have to do any body work to fit the 305's? Plus what tyres are you running?
Old 03-19-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HansB
Right.

To avoid understeer we run 951 racers with equal tiresizes F/R 285 - 305 depending on make and model.
I went to the url in your profile, love your car! a couple of neat solutions I might pirate off you. didn't understand everything but I'll have a dutch friend help me out.
I will also be shipping my car to .nl to prep for race season

on your page though, you list 245 and 285?
Old 03-19-2007, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by anders44
I went to the url in your profile, love your car! a couple of neat solutions I might pirate off you. didn't understand everything but I'll have a dutch friend help me out.
I will also be shipping my car to .nl to prep for race season

on your page though, you list 245 and 285?
My friend DrRon took the step last year, I am currently rebuilding the to facilitate changes:
New front, new custom build A-arms, wider fenders, wider Q-panels, Kokeln rear axis, 10,5 BBS rims. Oyes, and I also lower the car 2,5 cm further.

You can follow rebuild on this site Will post some pictures of the new front this week.

I could run 305/645 or 305/660 18 Pirelli F/R, or similar Dunlop and Michelin. Will start with 285 though, and see what the tire temp does.
Old 03-19-2007, 07:38 PM
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Thanks guys great info..............
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:49 PM
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I still find it hard to believe that you're intending running 285-305 all round as in same size front and rear but I will follow your progress with interest.
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Originally Posted by 333pg333
I still find it hard to believe that you're intending running 285-305 all round as in same size front and rear but I will follow your progress with interest.
The reasoning behind that is rather simple:

1. Weight distribution of our cars is 50/50 F/R
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2. The tire temperatures on a 245F 285R setup are 80C / 55C
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3. some serious race cars like the Kokeln Orca (18x12) and Woodies 951R (17
x11) drive a square setup
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4. with a 245F 285R setup it is hard to get rid of the understeer

All 4 arguments go in the same direction.
But yes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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Well that all makes sense Hans, thanks. By the way what sort of hp output is your car and how light is it?

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So by the square theory a 355 all the way around would be best?
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Well by what Hans is saying that would depend on you're hp, but knowing a bit about your projections maybe this is what you're going to need!
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Originally Posted by guns951
So by the square theory a 355 all the way around would be best?
Not necessarily. Too wide a tire and you won't get up to optimal temperature for maximum grip.
This is a very important aspect.
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Originally Posted by Duke
Not necessarily. Too wide a tire and you won't get up to optimal temperature for maximum grip.
This is a very important aspect.
+1 too wide is a waste.
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Front and rear 355's sounds preposterous to me but if that's the theory re same size all round then this will be the car to do it on...600hp+ eh Guns???
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Originally Posted by Duke
Not necessarily. Too wide a tire and you won't get up to optimal temperature for maximum grip.
This is a very important aspect.
Correct, the most important aspect. Without heat in the tires there is no grip. The temperature reached dictates the width.
E.g.in the wet I run 250's. On my car in the current setup 265's would probably be ok. On Woody's now sold 500+HP car he had 12" rims, which would support 335+ tires

My current output is 335 HP, with a 2380 weight. Building a 400HP engine, with a 2315 goal weight.

The car will be 4 inches wider and 1 inch lower, which would gain me in theory 0.25g cornering grip, if the tires stick..

The ultimate goal is to keep up with a 911 GT3 RS. One needs to have dreams,



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