RolexNJ

Russell: My friend, my hat is off to you for making the post above. That's all I say about that, for you and I talked, and you know where I stand. Bravo to you for being an innovator and bringing products to the market. As I said, I've never bought anything from you before, but I have heard nothing but great things. So ya must be doing something right, plus, I know Lindsey Racing (my old team) believes in you 100% too! Thanks for helping us all out on Rennlist and adding value. Cheers.



Chris: With you pal, I have ventured into the area of EMS. So this is all new to me but I am loving it! I know you are a stand-alone guy, and that is one reason why I am going with you and the Tec 3. All I can say is that so far, working with you has been an absolute pleasure, enlightening, and very exciting too! One thing you impressed upon me, way before we decided to work together, was that when you buy a "system", it's only as good as the support you're going to receive from the vendor. I've always remembered this too. That said, based upon my experiences with John and you, I have to say the support, guidance, expertise, and customer service has been outstanding! For me, I am willing to pay a premium for excellent products that are coupled with superb support. I look forward to working with you, John, and Tim @ SFR too on my new project car.

Guns951

And I as well for the Tec3 and Vitesse Stage 5 with the SFR bits to make it breathe right. Support is what sells a product, and customer service. I say good job to all, but everyone knows where my money is going.

porshhhh951

bottem line is this russell's customer service and products are obviously good because if they weren't we would have hered about it by now(very small community that can make or break you're business). John is alot more established and his customer service is very good.

I say both guys keep up the good work because all this does is benefit us with more opitions. My hats off to both russell and john both for doing what they do.

Chris White

Its quite possible that Motec has now addressed the idle issues. Earlier units were not idle friendly and since there main target was track cars it was not an important issue. Electromotive has, in the past, been more accommodating for the street / track hybrid cars with significant attention paid to drivability tuning – things like multi variable adjustments for cold running with monitoring of air and coolant temps for trimming the fuel and spark settings.

I tuned a significantly modified 951 (sleeved motor, 72lb injectors, lots of other stuff) to start with just a turn of the key after being cold soaked at 0 degrees overnight.

You can also interface the tec3 with the A/C so it pumps up the idle 150 rpm (or what ever you program) when A/C is engaged – its things like that that will help make the car as good or better than stock in terms of drivability.

Al that begin said – the Motec stuff is pretty nice stuff, I can’t say the tec3 is better at making power, its about the same but you will save a couple of bucks in the process. If cost were no issue I might even use the system on a track car!

A.Wayne

My 2 cents,
I'm not aware of any of these units having an idle problem, i would be hard pressed to believe that any standalone today would have idle issues that was not user induced..or mechanical..related.as i have done 951's with inj as large as 1000cc , with out idle issues..

I myself only use standalone units , but i have observed and I' am aware of Vitesse's, work. when getting involved with software or engine function via ecu operation your main concern's should be reliability , results and SUPPORT.

it is after feeling secure that you have accomplished this , should price then be compared . having poor support or a bad product ruin your motor after months of fustration is not the way to save bucks, nor is it true to your cause, as the support given to you before purchase cannot stay around if in the end the guy with the only thing to offer , the cheapest price, wins.

951and944S

Well said....

TS

Pauerman

Hey Terry, did you get Steve's car squared away?

I guess we'll soon see if the perception of "cheap" software is going to translate into poor support and/or substandard performance gains. Based on the conversations I've had with Russell about his growing products, I believe that the complete opposite will come to pass and the naysayers who promote or who've dished out more than double the money for the "best" product may be eating crow.

951and944S

Oh yeah, bearings looked excellent in the 10k miles since he got the car.
Did a catch can, Lindsey baffle, gutted his cat, etc. and he's good to go.
Of course like everyone else, he's addicted.
I think his last call was about finding a 3.0 liter block for a new engine build...

Heh heh, yes, I guess at Russell's price for admission, his support and service would be free whereas some still feel obligated to pay twice for what should be expected to come with a product...



Competition.....it's great nonetheless...

TS

35thSLP

I'll chime in here, I have only been in the 944/951 game a couple of years now so I still consider myself a noob. That said, In those two years I have done a considerable amount of work on both of our cars to include new clutches, front reseals, head job, complete drive train swap, as well as a few upgrades. All of the vendors I have gone with have given me excellent support of their products. While I haven't purchased anything from John yet I can vouch for Russell as going above and beyond with my, what is probably very stupid questions on tunning, and giving me very quick and informative answers. I have heard others on the list say the same things about John. I am just glad the tunning scene for the 9xx cars is moving forward with great products. for me the end result is fun, but the journey getting there is what makes it the most gratifying and both of these vendors and this list are making that possible.

DrZ1

Actually, addicted is an understatement. Although I have to wait till my practice gets off the ground and running smooth. Not sure if I will do a engine in this or get a 968 and turbo. All in the future and dreaming is free. Although I have alot of plans for this 951 in the next couple months.

Vic and Terry I guess I have to thank yall for getting me in this, Thought I was out after my 300zxTT money pit 5 yrs ago.

Steve

951and944S

Absolutely.....put me down for Maxtronic serial # 0001....!

TS

951and944S

Yep....it sure is.....just stay away from that anesthesia Doc....

TS

333pg333

I guess one thing to note here is that no-one is holding a gun to anyone's head. You can choose to purchase a particular product or not. If you choose not to then don't moan. If you choose to and receive a poor product or lousy service, then bellyache all you want and justifiably so. Also note that when people do go down a certain path and get good service and results they speak highly of said Vendor(s). It's a democracy. You can do as you please.

UK952

I have a delusion that Russell (Maxx) is Danno having learnt from his previous mistakes - someone tell me its true
Tony

rberry951

LOL!

No, not Danno, I'm Russell. People on the email forums will remember me from years ago, but I never came to the online forum much. And I've learned a lot here, how the market is structured, how to provide the best products and services, and not to talk about the products I'm developing anymore until they ship. That last part is really sad because many people told me they enjoyed seeing the nitty gritty of my development process. Oh well. Such is life.

Regards,
Russell