Notices
944 Turbo and Turbo-S Forum 1982-1991
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Clore Automotive

Lots of boost and getting nervous

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-30-2006, 04:52 PM
  #16  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Per all the messages and the paper work it came with it should be connected right. Pauer had the adapters already installed when I received it and there was only one way to mount the exhaust and dump pipes. From there, I installed the IC line to the side of the WG and the top line vents to the atmosphere.
Old 06-30-2006, 05:12 PM
  #17  
fortysixandtwo
Three Wheelin'
 
fortysixandtwo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: formerly RI, then MO, now CA
Posts: 1,649
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

What's the springs psi rating you're using in the TiAL?
Old 06-30-2006, 05:13 PM
  #18  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

it is the .8 bar spring.
Old 06-30-2006, 05:27 PM
  #19  
DDP
Rocket Scientist
Rennlist Member
 
DDP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Chicago
Posts: 4,724
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Is your cycling valve still hooked up? How about a jetted banjo?
Old 07-01-2006, 01:19 AM
  #20  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Yes and I assume you mean a modified banjo. No, the banjo has not been modified.

Originally Posted by 9fitty1
Is your cycling valve still hooked up? How about a jetted banjo?
I am going to check out the A/F gauge tomorrow (oops, look at the time! ...today) and remove the LBE to see how that affects the boost. If it is still coming on strong, put the LBE back on and tune it down.

Old 07-01-2006, 01:55 AM
  #21  
CO951
Burning Brakes
 
CO951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Littleton, CO
Posts: 772
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

My understanding is that the LBE is NOT a boost controller, and you can't use it to set your boost level. It helps the stock WG not leak as much before the WG opens. It should be of no benifit on your Tial WG.
Old 07-01-2006, 02:12 AM
  #22  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

You are correct, the LBE is not intended to limit boost, but rather prevents the waste gate from purging too soon. I got a bit ahead of myself with suggesting of putting the LBE back in to "tune it down." I will be leaving it out indefinately.

From my understanding of the LBE, it is a crutch a failing OEM waste gate to avoid pre-mature presure leaks.
Old 07-02-2006, 08:34 PM
  #23  
hally
Rennlist Member
 
hally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,110
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by chapstic951
Unfortunately, my pockets only go so deep and I have to take baby steps for my "project car"

-Steve
Tuning is a lot cheaper than where you are headed at 20psi Best to turn it right down then gradually approach desired boost from below.
Old 07-02-2006, 09:21 PM
  #24  
eclou
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
eclou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 7,069
Received 1,240 Likes on 607 Posts
Default

If you think you don't have deep pockets now, just wait until the headgasket or the side of the block fails. Then you will really understand being short on cash. Your best bet is to leave the Tial running on the spring only for now, until you can get fuel control and monitoring
Old 07-03-2006, 10:48 AM
  #25  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

OK, here is the update. Unfortunately, I don’t know where to begin. First off, I figured out what was wrong with my A/F gauge. When splicing in the gauge, I crossed one of the white 12v wires with the signal wire. That has been corrected and the gauge at least gives a reading now, how ever it is very erratic, and not in the good way. I will get back to this, since the post is regarding the boost…though the gauge reading is scary in itself.

So I removed the LBE and connected the line coming off the IC directly to the side port of the TiAL and now my boost goes off the chart (almost literally). It climbed up to ~30psi before the diverter valve finally pop’ed off. I didn’t even get a chance to take my foot off the gas is rose so quickly. After that event, I was VERY careful about not doing that again. Regardless, the boost continued to pile up so quickly and had no apparent intention on stopping that I was too afraid to continue driving and took it home.

Heading back, I noticed that it was overly sluggish on a few occasions to accelerate, almost to the point of stalling. Again, fearing a spike in boost if the rpm’s did pick-up, I tried to monitor the psi along with my foot on the gas. I am starting to feel that there may be a fuel delivery problem (aside from the boost problem).

So that is where I am with the boost.

The A/F gauge read smack dead center when I first turned the car on, then fanned out between rich and lean upon normal acceleration. On the first push of WOT, it fluttered in the rich, again normal. After that, it rested all the way in the red (lean) with the car in neutral and my foot off the gas. Again, I gave it some gas, and it gave me the desired response, then after putting the car in neutral and no gas, it stayed in the green (rich).

I am at a loss on both accounts….
Old 07-03-2006, 11:05 AM
  #26  
Markus951
Racer
 
Markus951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Estonia
Posts: 421
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I did 28 psi every day bases last year with stock (non wide fire headgasket) but head was installed with 110nm. During the tuning I heard detonation couple of times but nothing was wrong with headgasket or cilinders, so if the engine is tuned in the right way stock engine can hold the boost easily!

Markus
Old 07-03-2006, 11:06 AM
  #27  
Rogue_Ant
Addict
Rennlist Member

Rennlist
Small Business Partner

 
Rogue_Ant's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 5,252
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

On what octain fuel, and turbo/mods?


Rogue
Old 07-03-2006, 11:22 AM
  #28  
RKD in OKC
Rennlist Member
 
RKD in OKC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: In a tizzy
Posts: 4,987
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 11 Posts
Default

Sounds like you are hooking the pressure signal to the wrong port on a dual port waste gate.
Old 07-03-2006, 11:25 AM
  #29  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Perhaps, but I could have sworn I read every direction to a "t" and even kept my eyes on the BBS' for a second opinion. I will take a picture of the set-up and let you guys double check my work.

Originally Posted by RKD in OKC
Sounds like you are hooking the pressure signal to the wrong port on a dual port waste gate.
Old 07-03-2006, 12:29 PM
  #30  
chapstic951
Pro
Thread Starter
 
chapstic951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Ashburn, VA
Posts: 663
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Would it be possible my boost gauge is bad? It is an aftermarket Autometer. How could I go about testing it?

Or would a failing cycling valve have anything to do with it?

Last edited by chapstic951; 07-03-2006 at 12:45 PM.


Quick Reply: Lots of boost and getting nervous



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:43 PM.