Jeremy Himsel

Elitists statement, hah, if you knew me you would laugh your *** off about that…….. I should have wheels painted on my house. My full intent of that post is on the Honduh boards, just like stang net, and the other “popular” car forums is that they are filled with misinformation from 16 year old whipper-snappers who read some obscure post somewhere, or takes something their buddy told them, and apply it as gospel. Hell one of our “old experts” Danno used to do the same thing and a few of us caught him doing it. Guess how many motors he destroyed. Of course there are some guys out there who can tune’em and I see them at the track on the weekends, not at the local mall sipping on a jamba juice. Those guys are the ones that impress me but they’re the minority over there as well, not the majority. Every year we get a few newbie’s who come over and make unqualified statements because they did something else on another car which is not comparing apples to apples. The problem with this is other newbie’s who ask legitimate questions and pay the price for speculation. I could sit here and tell you about all the cars I’ve modified and how much horsepower I’ve made but it’s irrelevant on a web board as well as how it applies to the 951. I don’t care if someone got 10,000 HP out of a Briggs & Stratton powered riding mower, that doesn’t qualify that person as an expert on a 951. What I will tell you is that in 15 years of playing with cars, I’ve modified every one I’ve owned, used every possible power adder, and never popped a motor because A/F ratios, EGT’s and a solid understanding of the ECU operation are the focuses of build not some obscure statement by someone who made a gazillion HP on a Chevy 2 with a 671 hanging out of the hood. Two weeks ago I was autocrossing (not very well) in NJ and while working one of the corners I was talking with a guy who had a 450HP STI so the conversation was about turbos and such. A 911 guy asked us what the difference was between a BOV and a wastegate and the guy with the STI couldn’t properly explain it and really had no clue how the wastegate operated but was quick to quote how much HP he makes and what the guys on the WRX forums tell him. Here are just a few statements in this thread that concern me…

(- If you are running a MAF then no.)
(- My headgasket is fine, and this engine has seen over 600whp.)
(- I don't know my AFR, but like I said before the car runs and performs just find. I also get very little Knock)
(- to much knock is very bad for any engine. But a little will not damage the engine.)
(but very, very small amounts will not damage the engine. If Porsche did not think the engine could handle it, they wouldn't have had the Knock sensor in the first place.)

Personally I love it when a guy with a stock turbo and another guy who doesn’t even own a 951 gives advice on someone else’s dime. My suggestion is to try some mods on these cars on your own dime and apply your cross over tuning techniques and then post your experience not your theory. Until then take some advice from guys who have done it, learn a bit about the limitations of the 25 year old motronic and CC design, throw away your copy of Maximum Boost, or just prove us wrong. Better yet, call John Milledge, Chris White, Scott Gomes, TT or Vitesse and discuss your analysis and they’ll laugh in your face. Until then, my signature still applies to this post.

951Porschiste

That's a great picture!

Porschefile

Herein lies the problem with this section of the forum, and quite possibly other sections. Do you not realize that engines are just air pumps? The same laws apply regardless of the badge on the hood. Personally, I LOVE these cars, but they still operate on the same principles that someone's daily driver Civic does. Sure there are differences in design, layout, etc.


Uh, I'm not exactly a newbie. I have a 431rwhp '87 Carrera with a Protomotive stage 3 turbo kit and built 3.4l. I've experimented with plenty of cars, although I realize I am probably a bit younger than many of you and don't quite have as much experience. However, before I bought my first Porsche I was in the Japanese sports car scene. What's driving me crazy about this forum is there is so much more advanced technology out there that could really improve our cars, and very few seem to realize this or even care. There are a select few here (VR) that have really pushed the limits of many of the stock components, such as the Motronic. That's great, and I've been really impressed with what John and ST have accomplished. I wish more people around here would push the limits of their cars with newer technology though. Jesus, there are still people using MBC's on their 350rwhp+ built cars around here!

Got Me a Porsha

This reminds me of that kid in the primered minitruck that annoyed me yesterday. His two funny quotes were:

"How much money do you have in your pocket?"...

and

"Let me go home and get my other car!"

Oddly enough, he never came back with his other car...but I brought mine!

streckfu's

Which explains, both, your extensive technical contributions and your significant involvment on the 930 and 911 boards.

This thread is not about the resistant culture to new information and technology. It is about preserving the ethic of proven systems. Most contributors here are gears heads to the Nth degree. What you won't find (at least from the older crowd you seem to be complaining about) is tolerance for unproven bull****. If you want make claims about how well your car works with a given part or set-up, back it up with dynos, AFR maps, photos. Bull**** like what Drifto is selling doesn't hold up without evidence.

Back it up or shut it up. It's simple. If you find better way to accomplish something or find a great part, show us!

ibkevin

test.. um.. you forgot to complete the cycle.

David Floyd

And whats wrong with keeping things simple ?

Andial951

Because thats not how they did it on "Fast and Furious" so of course its wrong.....

streckfu's

lart951

I luv da movie man, I need nos.

Driftomagnifico

SR20VET (2.0L DOHC - 86.5x86mm)
SR20DET Block (53J)
SR20VE Head (322cfm @ 28" Intake - OS Valves, Ti Retainers, Springs)
SR16VE Camshafts (OEM Cams)
9.0:1 Arias Pistons (Casidium Coated Wrist Pins - Custom Design - Swain Skirt Coating)
Crower Titanium Rods (ARP2000 Bolts)
Clevite 77 Bearings
Knife-Edged 8CW OEM Crankshaft
OS Giken TR2B-C Twin Carbon Plate Clutch
Garrett GT3582R .82 A/R Turbocharger w/ Surge Housing
Tial 38mm Wastegate (0.7 BAR Spring)
ARP Headstuds / Mainstuds
MLS Headgasket
3-Stage Dry Sump
Moroso Electric Water Pump
Twin Z32 (300ZX Turbo) Fuel Pumps
Aeromotive FPR
Etc.

Here is the only dyno I have of the car on my computer. It is at 12 PSI, the engine has produced more, and it's peak RPM is 10700. I am leary of taking it higher due in part to drivetrain harmonics and bearing longevity.

The engine is currently dissassembled for a bearing and ring switch-out.

The engine is tuned by myself using a Motec M400.

Driftomagnifico

Oh and I will be assisting Porschephile with his 951 engine build.

sweanders

Nice, but what does it have to do with the stock management system on a 951?

Driftomagnifico

I've given up the idea of teaching elementry thermodynamic and fluid flow principles to people that can't understand a simple post.

Driftomagnifico

People were questioning my capability?