modded 951 vs m5 ??/
#61
Originally Posted by Duke
Ahh there's so much BS in this thread..
First of all, NO, torque doesn't win races. I'm so sick of reading that crap...
Many of you are severely underestimating the E60 M5.
It makes 0-100 km/h in around 4.4 sec.
0-200 km/h in less than 14 sec.
100-200 in 8.8 sec
quartermile in mid to high 12's on it's stock tires etc.
So don't think you can beat it with a chipped 951.
And for you who think torque wins the race - just bring your diesel truck and I'm sure you'll win
First of all, NO, torque doesn't win races. I'm so sick of reading that crap...
Many of you are severely underestimating the E60 M5.
It makes 0-100 km/h in around 4.4 sec.
0-200 km/h in less than 14 sec.
100-200 in 8.8 sec
quartermile in mid to high 12's on it's stock tires etc.
So don't think you can beat it with a chipped 951.
And for you who think torque wins the race - just bring your diesel truck and I'm sure you'll win
Duke - I hd not read that the 100-200K time was 8.8 seconds - this is VERY interesting.
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Originally Posted by special tool
Duke - I hd not read that the 100-200K time was 8.8 seconds - this is VERY interesting.
#63
Originally Posted by lart951
So does this mean, that you are not going to race the V10 M5?? I got $ 500.00 on you, better not dissapoint me
Not quite what I was thinking, Luis.
Using only 5th gear, I have been close to 5 seconds flat 100-200K.
Using 3rd and 4th, I have seen low 3 seconds, but INSANE traction problems.
With slicks, it would be well under 3.
This all with race fuel and high boost, of course and S2 transaxle.
I haven't tested pump fuel yet......
But I can tell you that I destroyed a 997 S (bus length) - and beat an Audi RS6 (not the Nancy S4, guys) FROM A DIGGGGGGGG - pretty convincingly - on pump gas and 18-19 psi.
So, we'll see.
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I had a good run in with an M5 twice last year. This was in my ’85 928 5-speed. The first time my car only had a chip set and nothing else. Had her at the local drag strip 2 days before the first encounter and managed to pull a 13.5sec on stock (225) tires. The first encounter was from a ~70mph roll on the highway. We were equal for a couple sec. then I started slowly pulling away form him. At the end, I had roughly 1.5-2 car lengths on him. I’m guessing that this M5 was ~ 2002 model year. The second encounter was a couple months after I installed the supercharger. Surprisingly the outcome was the same. I slowly walked away from him. Both runs started at above 70mph. After the second run I had the throttle linkage checked cause the car felt different than the day before ( I did some work on it the night before). The throttle linkage was hitting the bypass valve and it only opened to 75% at the most. Regardless of this, the 928 was stronger than in stock form and the other M5 had to be too. Few days after the last M5, I went to the track again. 12.8sec was the best I could get out of the stock sized tires. Not too bad for a 6spi non-intercooled system. The M5 is a great car and does run extremely well especially at highway speeds. All this with a factory warranty is a very nice package.
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Originally Posted by lart951
Duke, where on the thread does it say that a 951 with only chips can take a M5?
Show me please
Also we are not talking about racing from standing still but from a roll, since 951's are such poor performers at drag racing.
Show me please
Also we are not talking about racing from standing still but from a roll, since 951's are such poor performers at drag racing.
Not many 951 here do 100-200 km/h sub 9 sec (especially not on pump).
The M5, like the 951, is also very capable from a roll.
#66
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Originally Posted by special tool
Not quite what I was thinking, Luis.
Using only 5th gear, I have been close to 5 seconds flat 100-200K.
Using 3rd and 4th, I have seen low 3 seconds, but INSANE traction problems.
With slicks, it would be well under 3.
This all with race fuel and high boost, of course and S2 transaxle.
I haven't tested pump fuel yet......
But I can tell you that I destroyed a 997 S (bus length) - and beat an Audi RS6 (not the Nancy S4, guys) FROM A DIGGGGGGGG - pretty convincingly - on pump gas and 18-19 psi.
So, we'll see.
Using only 5th gear, I have been close to 5 seconds flat 100-200K.
Using 3rd and 4th, I have seen low 3 seconds, but INSANE traction problems.
With slicks, it would be well under 3.
This all with race fuel and high boost, of course and S2 transaxle.
I haven't tested pump fuel yet......
But I can tell you that I destroyed a 997 S (bus length) - and beat an Audi RS6 (not the Nancy S4, guys) FROM A DIGGGGGGGG - pretty convincingly - on pump gas and 18-19 psi.
So, we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Duke
It doesn't, the "moral" of my statement was that it takes a whole lot more than chipped 951 to beat an E60 M5.
Not many 951 here do 100-200 km/h sub 9 sec (especially not on pump).
The M5, like the 951, is also very capable from a roll.
Not many 951 here do 100-200 km/h sub 9 sec (especially not on pump).
The M5, like the 951, is also very capable from a roll.
Ok, so what are the 100-200kmh, times for 350-380rwhp 951's. Does anybody have the 62-124mph times from your modified 951?
#68
Originally Posted by lart951
Duke, where on the thread does it say that a 951 with only chips can take a M5?
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Originally Posted by Duke
Wait a minute..are you seriously saying that your 951 will do 100-200 km/h in well under 3 sec grip permitting??
i think ST dumped the Vitesse STG 5, in fact, ST dumped using a motor at all.
now i think ST is using this instead of a motor-
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Originally Posted by Duke
Wait a minute..are you seriously saying that your 951 will do 100-200 km/h in well under 3 sec grip permitting??
Too much star wars for me.lol. I can hear TonyG coming and blast me for that, that guy lacks sense of humor, I have never seen tony joke around. Wth is he a robot or what?
Life is too short to live like that,chill out smile, what a pain for those who surround him, damn it's so sad.
Yes, this forum is a technical forum , but once in a while doesn't hurt to joke around, I have seen Floyd, Ski and even other serious guys play around once in a while, but I have never seen Mr.G doing it.
Sorry for the interruption, now let's go back to topic.
#71
Originally Posted by Duke
It doesn't, the "moral" of my statement was that it takes a whole lot more than chipped 951 to beat an E60 M5.
You seem do this a lot. State some specific and when called out, claim you were 'alluding to something general'.
All claims of 951s possibly keeping up with the M5 refer to the 951 having to be making north of 320hp (with 350+ being more probable). That's a lot more than chips. No one argues that it would take a well prepared car to do it, but it should be possible.
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Originally Posted by MPD47
I could've sworn someone in here claimed it only took 305rwhp to beat an M5. Which I know Big Jon did on a stock engine with alot of boost. So yeah, that would be just with chips. I agree with Duke, lotta bull **** in this thread, which is why I avoided it for awhile.
Yea I think it was on the other thread the one on the OT forum, I guess that was theoretical based upon hp, weight and 16psi of pure imagination.
I think that a 951 with 375-400rwhp could take the beast from a ROLL again, I mean a ROLL. Please don’t come and say well the M5 ¼ mile is 12 sec, because we are not talking about a race from a standing still . But from a Roll got that?