Why did Porsche de-tune the 951??
02-09-2006, 04:21 AM
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My reference was to 89/90 models but the 951 did not come out at 50K but the 951S was stickered in the 47-48 range.
BTW Champion (the world largest Porsche dealer) made big friends with PCNA when they bought the entire remaining 944/968/928 inventory from them which all other dealers refused and that also included NEW 944S2's which had been discontinued for years. On a sidenote, NEW 95 928GTS's sold as late as 97............ Porsche was in big sh*t back then but the 993 and the Boxster pulled them out.
BTW Champion (the world largest Porsche dealer) made big friends with PCNA when they bought the entire remaining 944/968/928 inventory from them which all other dealers refused and that also included NEW 944S2's which had been discontinued for years. On a sidenote, NEW 95 928GTS's sold as late as 97............ Porsche was in big sh*t back then but the 993 and the Boxster pulled them out.
02-09-2006, 04:27 AM
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Yep. The test done in June of 1988 (Automobile Magazine) between the 951S and the 930 turbo showed the 951s at basically 50k AFTER TT&L, if not as high as 55. (I don't feel like doing the math but here in Florida that would be 5.5% plus on top of 47800.00.)
02-09-2006, 07:09 AM
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According to A.Graham bell
Porsche actually did some comparison testing on a 16-valve 2,5l 944 engine with both a Turbo and a roots blower.. the blower car outperformed the Turbo car in every test by 10-40% ...
Porsche actually did some comparison testing on a 16-valve 2,5l 944 engine with both a Turbo and a roots blower.. the blower car outperformed the Turbo car in every test by 10-40% ...
02-09-2006, 08:27 AM
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I still have the orginal invoice for mine from 1987 along with the original window sticker. I'm at work or I would scan it in, but after all the discounts it sold for somewhere in the high 30s.
02-09-2006, 09:26 AM
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Just to add one more to the long list of reasons that Porsche de-tuned the 951:
Reynolds originally developed the block for the 944 prior to Porsche deciding to put a turbocharger on it. When Reynolds got wind of the impending turbo version, they were very concerned about the durability under boost, particularly since the bores are free at the top. So, while the engine is capable of much more power, Porsche decided on competitive performance vs. ultimate performance.
As others have said, no one at Porsche and none of the thousands of 911 owners wanted to see a 4 cylinder water pumper 944 with better performance than their flagship 911.
Reynolds originally developed the block for the 944 prior to Porsche deciding to put a turbocharger on it. When Reynolds got wind of the impending turbo version, they were very concerned about the durability under boost, particularly since the bores are free at the top. So, while the engine is capable of much more power, Porsche decided on competitive performance vs. ultimate performance.
As others have said, no one at Porsche and none of the thousands of 911 owners wanted to see a 4 cylinder water pumper 944 with better performance than their flagship 911.
02-09-2006, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lart951
The senior Project manager for 4 cyl range at that time was Jochen Freund, he could easily answer all of our questions, does anybody know where to find him?
02-09-2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by zerMATT951
Cool article lart, thanks for posting. What publication was that from?
02-09-2006, 11:11 AM
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They've done the same thing now with the Cayman - Top Gear's main criticism was the fact that it's just not as good as it could be.
Any argument about "it has enough power, and driveability would suffer" is B.S. - wasn't the 930 the same era, and an absolute dog to drive ?
Imagine a Cayman with the 911 Turbo engine. You'd have a well balanced, easy to handle car that would just plain fly.
The 911 has to stay at the top of the heap because it's the flagship model.
It will be very interesting to see what happens if / when RUF gets their hands on a Cayman, or someone swaps an engine in.
Any argument about "it has enough power, and driveability would suffer" is B.S. - wasn't the 930 the same era, and an absolute dog to drive ?
Imagine a Cayman with the 911 Turbo engine. You'd have a well balanced, easy to handle car that would just plain fly.
The 911 has to stay at the top of the heap because it's the flagship model.
It will be very interesting to see what happens if / when RUF gets their hands on a Cayman, or someone swaps an engine in.
02-09-2006, 11:12 AM
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I don't know if other people share the same sentiment , but I don't consider my self a "purist" and I am not too concerned about the "Porsche" badge in my car, but it's the rich history behind the 924/944/968 career that I love, it's the car in it self. From the 924GTP to the 968Turbo RS they are such a wonderful cars. I am a 944Turbo lover, I love the lines, I love the handling and above all the Booooooost RUSH!.
I don't think Porsche the Company care much about us the 944T guys, but that's okay, nevertheless My 951 rocks
I don't think Porsche the Company care much about us the 944T guys, but that's okay, nevertheless My 951 rocks
02-09-2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FSAEracer03
Well that's topping the "to buy" list now! Thanks Lart!