help.. front seal kit?
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hello everyone! im a newbee here but have an 87 951 and got some problems..
it started with the hose ftom the waterpump broke.. and i lost al my water sudenly.. and i figured out that the hed gasket was broken.. and i.m going to replase it.. and in the same time replase the timing belts.. but when i opend the covers infront of the timing belts ther was a mess in oil and dirt..and found out that i was lucky that the timingbelt still was in one piece... so i started shopping.. and bought an wide fire kit and short block gasket set...
and i didnt know then about if the gaskets for the balance shafts and cam shaft was in those kits so i bought an front engine seal kit aswell from lindsey racing...
victor reinz kits..
but when i was going to instal cam shaft seals and right balanse shaft seals i red in clarcks-garage that i should watch out about the left balance shaft had an larger main seal.. but in my front engine set ther vas these seals:
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 1
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 3
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 3
they all got the same sise but one whit an 1 in it.
also in the kit there was 3 metal bushings to install.. all 3 the same size, but the bushing on the cam shaft is larger than anyone of them... what to do?
the main seals in the hed gasket kit and short block kit has theese numbers:
8 kaco dg 30 48 71 01
kaco 2 dg 32 47 7 rf 01
victor reinz shr 30 47 7 8
what to do? and what to use?
the bushing on the cam shaft is a bit worn so i would like to replace it.. but should i use one of the smaler bushings( outside diameter) and a 30 47 3 gasket because the 32 47 is to large for the new bushing..
and also one more problem.. i took of the water pump and shal replace it.. but when i did i broke of one of the studs..
ofcorse..hehe
but to get it out i thought about making an drill stearing in the hole on the pump so i can hit the senter of the stud when driling.. anyone tested it?
the waterpump stud hole is about 7 mm and if i make an boore stearing to fit it with an 3 mm hole in it i should hit the senter of the stud?
the engine is stil in the car so it isnt mutch room..
should i replace all of the studs ore should i use them again? they are abit brown.. but not significant..
hope any one could help me abut the gascet problem.. I cant sleep until i figured it out.. hehe
it started with the hose ftom the waterpump broke.. and i lost al my water sudenly.. and i figured out that the hed gasket was broken.. and i.m going to replase it.. and in the same time replase the timing belts.. but when i opend the covers infront of the timing belts ther was a mess in oil and dirt..and found out that i was lucky that the timingbelt still was in one piece... so i started shopping.. and bought an wide fire kit and short block gasket set...
and i didnt know then about if the gaskets for the balance shafts and cam shaft was in those kits so i bought an front engine seal kit aswell from lindsey racing...
victor reinz kits..
but when i was going to instal cam shaft seals and right balanse shaft seals i red in clarcks-garage that i should watch out about the left balance shaft had an larger main seal.. but in my front engine set ther vas these seals:
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 1
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 3
mk 601017 hscr 30 47 7 3
they all got the same sise but one whit an 1 in it.
also in the kit there was 3 metal bushings to install.. all 3 the same size, but the bushing on the cam shaft is larger than anyone of them... what to do?
the main seals in the hed gasket kit and short block kit has theese numbers:
8 kaco dg 30 48 71 01
kaco 2 dg 32 47 7 rf 01
victor reinz shr 30 47 7 8
what to do? and what to use?
the bushing on the cam shaft is a bit worn so i would like to replace it.. but should i use one of the smaler bushings( outside diameter) and a 30 47 3 gasket because the 32 47 is to large for the new bushing..
and also one more problem.. i took of the water pump and shal replace it.. but when i did i broke of one of the studs..
ofcorse..hehe
but to get it out i thought about making an drill stearing in the hole on the pump so i can hit the senter of the stud when driling.. anyone tested it?
the waterpump stud hole is about 7 mm and if i make an boore stearing to fit it with an 3 mm hole in it i should hit the senter of the stud?
the engine is stil in the car so it isnt mutch room..
should i replace all of the studs ore should i use them again? they are abit brown.. but not significant..
hope any one could help me abut the gascet problem.. I cant sleep until i figured it out.. hehe
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The upper balance shaft turns the same direction as the crank cw, but the lower turns shaft turns ccw. Look for the arrows to be sure. I do not recognize the part numbers you listed, so I cannot comment on that. The cam and upper balance shaft seals used to be the same part, but that was updated, so the spacer has to be installed with the correct seal. Here is a parts list I have developed over the years. Hopefully this will help some.
PORSCHE PARTS LIST
Front Engine re-seal parts list for 1987 thru 1989 turbo and ‘87-‘88 8 valve N/A engines
CAMSHAFT
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (flat plastic seal) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.631.04
1 each Smooth roller 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Locknut for roller N 022.149.2
CRANKSHAFT
1 each Seal 999.113.331.40
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
BALANCE SHAFTS
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
2 each Locknuts for rollers N 022.149.2
WATER PUMP
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Gasket 944.106.132.04
1 each Block off plate (NA only) 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each * Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
* The guard rail only needs to be purchased if missing or damaged.
PORSCHE PARTS LIST
Front Engine re-seal parts list for 1987 thru 1989 turbo and ‘87-‘88 8 valve N/A engines
CAMSHAFT
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (flat plastic seal) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.631.04
1 each Smooth roller 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Locknut for roller N 022.149.2
CRANKSHAFT
1 each Seal 999.113.331.40
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
BALANCE SHAFTS
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
2 each Locknuts for rollers N 022.149.2
WATER PUMP
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Gasket 944.106.132.04
1 each Block off plate (NA only) 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each * Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
* The guard rail only needs to be purchased if missing or damaged.
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Originally Posted by cruise98
The upper balance shaft turns the same direction as the crank cw, but the lower turns shaft turns ccw. Look for the arrows to be sure. I do not recognize the part numbers you listed, so I cannot comment on that. The cam and upper balance shaft seals used to be the same part, but that was updated, so the spacer has to be installed with the correct seal. Here is a parts list I have developed over the years. Hopefully this will help some.
PORSCHE PARTS LIST
Front Engine re-seal parts list for 1987 thru 1989 turbo and ‘87-‘88 8 valve N/A engines
CAMSHAFT
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (flat plastic seal) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.631.04
1 each Smooth roller 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Locknut for roller N 022.149.2
CRANKSHAFT
1 each Seal 999.113.331.40
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
BALANCE SHAFTS
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
2 each Locknuts for rollers N 022.149.2
WATER PUMP
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Gasket 944.106.132.04
1 each Block off plate (NA only) 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each * Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
* The guard rail only needs to be purchased if missing or damaged.
PORSCHE PARTS LIST
Front Engine re-seal parts list for 1987 thru 1989 turbo and ‘87-‘88 8 valve N/A engines
CAMSHAFT
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (flat plastic seal) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.631.04
1 each Smooth roller 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Locknut for roller N 022.149.2
CRANKSHAFT
1 each Seal 999.113.331.40
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
BALANCE SHAFTS
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
2 each Locknuts for rollers N 022.149.2
WATER PUMP
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Gasket 944.106.132.04
1 each Block off plate (NA only) 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each * Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
* The guard rail only needs to be purchased if missing or damaged.
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Jessheim, Norway?? What the h**l, you`re my neightbour!! From Jessheim my self. Haven`t seen you around? Have you seen a black 951? Cool!
And welcome to the board!
If you ever need some help or anything, let me know.
Thomas
And welcome to the board!
If you ever need some help or anything, let me know.
Thomas
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Joseph:
The list is very similar.
944 8 VALVE FRONT ENGINE SEALS, BELTS & WATER PUMP PARTS LIST
From engine # 43F 06995 (1985) thru 1986 8 valve engines
Camshaft
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (clear flat plastic washer) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.027.04
1 each Stud 944.102.216.01
1 each Nut 944.102.243.00
1 each Smooth roller (for updated pump) 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each Locking nut N 0221492
Crankshaft
1 each Seal 999.113.331.50
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
Balance shafts
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
2 each Locking nut N 0221492
Water pump
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Block off plate 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
The list is very similar.
944 8 VALVE FRONT ENGINE SEALS, BELTS & WATER PUMP PARTS LIST
From engine # 43F 06995 (1985) thru 1986 8 valve engines
Camshaft
1 each O-ring 999.701.602.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.045.00
1 each O-ring (clear flat plastic washer) 944.105.321.00
1 each Spacer 928.105.139.04
1 each Seal 999.113.349.40
1 each Bolt (optional) 999.510.022.08
1 each Toothed roller 944.105.027.04
1 each Stud 944.102.216.01
1 each Nut 944.102.243.00
1 each Smooth roller (for updated pump) 944.105.241.03
1 each Rubber seal 928.105.184.00
1 each Belt 944.105.157.04
1 each Locking nut N 0221492
Crankshaft
1 each Seal 999.113.331.50
1 each Sleeve (oil pump drive) 944.107.161.02
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
1 each Woodruff key (optional) 900.117.036.00
Balance shafts
1 each Seal (upper, cw rotation) 999.113.282.40
1 each Seal (lower, ccw rotation) 999.113.281.40
2 each Spacer 928.105.139.02
2 each O-ring (same as cam) 944.105.321.00
2 each O-ring 999.701.652.40
2 each Woodruff key (optional) N 012.708.2
1 each Tensioner roller 944.102.025.07
1 each Smooth roller 944.102.277.06
1 each Belt 944.102.219.02
2 each Locking nut N 0221492
Water pump
1 each Water Pump 951.106.021.10
1 each Block off plate 944.106.313.00
1 each O-ring 999.707.283.40
2 each Bolt 6 x 20mm N .014.704.1
2 each Washer N .011.524.7
1 each Thermostat 944.106.019.00
1 each Support Washer 900.234.160.00
1 each T-stat O-ring 944.106.929.08 or 944.106.929.05
1 each Guard rail (for updated pump) 944.105.210.01
2 each Lock nuts (for guard rail) 999.084.092.02
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thanks for the replyes ! the part list is wery handy! i will save it in my 951 folder
hello neighbur! yes seen one black 951 sometimes close to mcdonalds... and shure i could need some help.. hehe i live at sand hannestad.. so drop by sometime if you are close!
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hello neighbur! yes seen one black 951 sometimes close to mcdonalds... and shure i could need some help.. hehe i live at sand hannestad.. so drop by sometime if you are close!