Rviscosi

I am regretfully selling my Guards Red 951. I found another car I couldn't turn down for the price. I just purchased my 951 about a year ago. It was a 1 owner car with no mods except for a drop in K&N filter. It now has Weltmeister chips, a dynomax muffler, Stewart Warner boost gauge with blue LED lighting and a manual boost control. I have dyno sheets at 12-14 psi. It made 250 rwhp at 14 psi, 247 at 13 psi and 239 at 12 psi. The 3 hp difference between 13 and 14 psi was because the boost would not hold at 14 psi on the dyno. The car runs like a champ and is extremely clean. The only thing not working is the sunroof. Body has original paint and is excellent. I am asking 12k and believe the car is worth every penny. It has 71k miles on it, 68k when I bought it.

rhesus

location?

edit: looks like PA plates

Rviscosi

Yes, I am about 70 miles west of Philly.

Mike1982

How are you getting 250rwhp with the Weltmeister chips and a dynomax muffler? I know you lower miles but with upgrades and running at 14psi with boost roll off in upper rpm's you should be more around the 230rwhp at 14psi. Have you done any other work to the car? 250rwhp should put your motor around the 280-290 at the fly! That is most I have ever seen from a 951 with just a chip set running 14 psi.

Rviscosi

It was 55 deg. in the dyno room, even though the numbers are SAE corrected I'm sure that helped. I can email you the .drf files if you have the dynojet run viewer. The car is very strong from a roll. It has taken out stock LS1's, a Mk4 Supra TT and a 2000 Saleen S281SC. Beat the Saleen and Supra by 2 car lengths from 35 to 110 mph.

shaheed

years ago when i had a weltmeister chip setup i used to get approx 250 rwhp , my boost was set higher than 14psi but with the stock turbo and wastegate it used to roll off to 12.5-13psi in the upper rpms where the peak hp was made. so it's possible.

Rviscosi

Mine did 251.1 rwhp and 283.2 rwtq with max. smoothing. Torque was most likely lower due to the lower boost setting. My boost fell to about 12.5 psi on my run as well. What was the temp. in the dyno room for your pulls? I will try and put a jpg up of my pull if I can capture it as a jpg. There is a way to capture the current screen in Windows but I can't remember how to do it.

shaheed

if you're using winpep you can go to File->Export Graph and save it as a jpg. when I did that run they didn't have a dedicated dyno room, it was just in the shop with the door open and one fan. In the middle of Georgia summer, so 85-90 degrees.

Rviscosi

Thanks I did a Alt Prn Screen and it saves to the clip board. THe heat explains your higher boost number for the same power level.

Mike1982

Wow, I really didn't think that you could get that kind of HP out of those chips. Compared to the Guru 15psi chip set, how do they compare? That is what I have now until I to the maf upgrade.

Ski

12k for an 86 with 71k on it is a bit much in the 86 range IMHO. I do think you could see 10-10.7. I emailed this to a friend who is looking for one though to see what he thinks.

clangjr

I disagree....a nicely maintained, low mileage (less than 4k per year) 944t is NOT easy to find. I paid more than that for mine 8 months ago, although mine was lower mileage.
Chuck

Rviscosi

I really think one has to see and drive the car in person before saying its not worth a certain amount. I've had many friends tell me that in this condition its worth a considerable amount more than 12k. It doesn't burn a drop of oil, gets 30 mpg on the highway and still gets an awful lot of 2nd glances.

Rviscosi

bump

UDPride

Disagree as well. In fact it sounds like a pretty competitive price. For every 5 951s you look at, 4 of them are usually borderline crap. Ask me how I know. I looked at 14 before I bought mine, though some of that was because I about gave up on finding a graphite and had relegated myself to buying a diff. color and then repainting. Persistence was rewarded though. $12,000 doesnt buy you much anymore unless you want a car rough around most of the edges. Take a car for $10,500 and I can usually point to flaws like more stone chips than should be acceptable, a couple dash cracks, et al. Just one dash crack is a $900 fix. The dash is either perfect or its not and if you want it perfect you must replace it. If the rims are road rashed, theres another $500-1000 down the toilet to return those to tip top shape. Good but not great paint can suck $1500 from you just ot bring it back to excellent shape -- and Im not even talking repainting the car -- just wet sanding, repainting maybe a panel, fixing all the chips, wetsanding again, etc etc.

Never having seen this car in person I hesitate to apply a blanket endorcement for it. However from the photos alone, it looks like to have several things going for it that would quite easily justify $12Gs.

I always say, when you find a good one, you jump on it. Unless the price is just absolutely ridiculously inflated. You cannot reproduce un-aged originality.