Robby

chiming in late- my Turbo S w/full 2.1.gal tank, no driver, ALL options in car just the way it would roll off the showroom floor- 3155lbs...

Rich Sandor

my 86 with full tank gas, carpets, spare + jack/tire iron, full fluids and 170lbs driver came to ~1410kg or 3100lbs.

I've since removed the rear portion of the interior to be replaced with lightweight carpet lining... along with some other useless crap removed I'm hoping I shed about 200lbs.

adrial

3150lbs with 2/3 tank of gas...

Maybe I'll remove the doors, hood and hatch for autox

Cyrus951

Why does the factory sticker on the driver side of the rear of the engine bay say the car came from the factory at around 3600 lbs??

How much would a turboS weigh with replica c2 wheels with 245/40z's in front and 255/40z's in back, no speakers, no spare, no jack, full of fluids, 1/4 tank of gas, and a 150lb driver?

Robby

Actually, many magazines show the CURB weight of these cars as being over 3150, so, test would be 3300..... that's a little high, but, most of what I've seen has shown ~3150 or so w/full tank- IIRC, mine was amost 3160 w/full tank... of course, MINE did not have front speakers, thanks to a DUMBASS PO, so, that's a couple lbs too- Adrial's would probably be another 50lbs w/that last 1/3 tank...sounds about right....

ALSO- LATER cars w/headlight washers had much larger washer resovoirs- they ALSO have the extra pump FOR the headlight washers- I never thought of ABS as adding much though- Air bags are fairly light, but, are as worthless IMO as anything ever put in a car.... the way they're putting them everywhere now, I'm waiting for right & left ******** air bags soon..... The driver one weighs 2-3lbs total- the wheel is heavy, but, partly b/c of the air bag inside.... I think the best thing is to take one of these from it's BARE *** FRAME & build it the way you want it.... I would LOVE to do that- w/pretty much any car I've ever been interested in... Club Sport cars kind of sucked- they only eliminated easy stuff- all they did was make them louder- that's the worst place to shed weight- they STILL had full wiring harnesses- GTS wiring harness is over 85lbs & that's probably only ~2/3 of the wiring in the damn car- think about THAT!!! 968 CS got rid of power MIRRORS well, the motors in the mirrors would weigh less than the wiring in the doors FOR the mirrors.... makes NO sense.... anyway.... I guess it could be worse.... like a 4300lb M5 There isn't any such thing as a truely light car anymore.... kind of sad...

Cyrus- that is the TOTAL allowed weight for the car- not sure it said 3600- I thought it was like 3900, but.... the GVWR is for total capacity, which includes driver, passengers, luggage, fuel, etc.... As for the weight you're looking for- your guess is as good as any- you'd have to take into account a WORLD of variables- like, not all 951's had headlight washers- ones w/out probably save 8lbs, due to what I mentioned above, etc....


chassis- 450lbs
undercoating- 130lbs
spare- 29lbs
engine (turbo)- 404lbs
engine (968)- 380lbs
rotor (turbo S drilled) 15.5lbs
rear seat back (SPLIT)- 9lbs ea
seat bottom- 9lbs
rear hatch carpet- 14lbs
SR lid- 19lbs
MANUAL SR lid (924)- 16lbs
front seats are ALL FU**ING OVER THE PLACE- two of the EXACT SAME ONES will be different sometimes....
I saved a hair over 25lbs by removing the rear seatbacks, seatbelts, etc, all but the bottom- now I've got to do something to remove it, since that looks SOO STUPID.... etc....

other things- 968 mirrors are lighter than 944- about half weight... 968 handles are a few OZ heavier, so worth it IMO- but I would just paint the 944 handles though if I had it to do over, as the 968's are a CPITA.... my C2 17's are the exact same weight as my Turbo S Club sports WITH tires- actually, the fronts are 1lb lighter... Bilsteins SHOULD be lighter than koni's- the Turbo S Koni's are heavy fu**ers..... etc etc etc...

Cyrus951

ooh that's the allowed weight..
My sticker is scuffed, and all I see is the number.

I think all 89s came with headlight washers (even though mine doesn't have a relay)

Cyrus951

Oh ya man, when we were moving it at the headgasket thing, the car (white one with saratoga top) almost rolled by itself. It was as light as a feather..

adrial

Nope, My 89 doesn't have headlight washers.

It doesn't have an engine either...the ultimate in weightsavings!

Robby

yeah- I know a local 89 w/out headlight washers- MINE is about to match it, whenever I can figure out how to get that damn resovoir out of it- it snakes way down in there on those cars....

the engine's pretty damn heavy too..... 404lbs- a W8 is 419lbs.... too bad the car wont go w/out it... GREAT for weight dist too....

Cyrus- you said light as a feather???? I'd LOVE to know how- i've roll-started my car at least 100 times & I've NEVER thought it felt light- roll started my integra plenty- same sized car & at LEAST 550lbs lighter... FU**ED UP!!!!

adrial

That integra would twist into a ball at the thought of 300+ ft lbs of torque

MPD47

Ive got my entire interior stripped out now (except the two seats and the dash) and i weighed in at 2750. Now I finally decided to put my stereo back in, so im probably a hair over 2800.

Robby

I would love to find out.... Chris Cervelli always called the 944's Flexi flyers.... can't imagine the Integra having much lighter chassis- 450lbs isn't much for the whole body.... the integra couldn't have been as good a chassis, but, I have to wonder- it DID handle fine- my turbo S doesn't handle for ****... VERY FRUSTRATING.... Not sure what to do anymore.... 275lbs springs (too much) 100lb helpers (perfect) w/LEdas (I HATE them) & Stock Turbo S sways w/968 caster blocks & 17's w/Pilot Sport PS2's- the tires have a TON of sidewall flex & I can't Find ANYONE to tell me WHY..... any input?

What all did you do to your car Adrial? Over bumps, this car is FAR worse than my Integra- I had Eibachs on it w/Tokico 5-way adjs & mugen bushings & it would DEFINATELY outhang my Turbo S on smooth AND rough ground- ACTUALLY, it would outhang ANY stock Turbo S on smooth ground... It would pull ~.95 consistently- the upsetting thing- I've been in BMW's, etc & now can't stand my car over bumps- no multi-link- but, it CAN'T be this bad- I KNOW other people's Turbos HAVE to handle better- what's going on....????

FlyingPig

Not true, remember how ABS works (atleast with older cars) its a freakin pump, closing and opening the supply of brake fluid. (plus ABS needs more brake fluid because of the bigger reservoir)


I'm not sure about how much weight it adds though (probably 50-100lbs) anyone have any figures on that?

Robby

cool- I was unaware of that- I SERIUOSLY doubt it would be much >50 though- ALL together, the TOTAL dif b/T an '86 & a Turbo S isn't much >100lbs normally- that's assuming everything is bone stock, etc. And there are a lot of additions to the Turbo S- the bigger wheels, tires, brakes (rotors AND calipers AND pads), suspension (those Koni's are HEAVY- the front shocks are ~16lbs ea), the sways are beefier, the air bags, the stereo has extra speakers (AND larger AND has all the same wiring from hte early cars in ADDITION to the Turbo S wiring), headlight washers (extra pump, bigger res, more fluid, lines, etc), larger spindles, larger gas tank (that's ~15lbs fluid), etc, & all kinds of other misc things I'm sure.... all that together isn't more than 150lbs though- the ORIGINAL '87 951 was listed at 3145lbs (2998lbs curb) in R&T. the '86 was always listed as almost 3000lbs curb, but, that might have been a little high.... anyway, I would think ~3000 test sounds about right then for a regular turbo- that's a good amount though- the Turbo S did have lighter back seats though- it was split- from what I understand, the regular turbo single seat (& 89) was heavier than the TWO splits combined- the shoulder belts of the later cars probably canceled that out though....

Ahmet

I don't see ABS adding anywhere near 50lbs, let alone 100. The pump itself doesn't weigh 10lbs, and all the fluid/extra lines/sensors wouldn't add up to 5lbs either. I could see some suspension components that got updated weighing a bit more, but that would still make the weight difference between late model 944 turbos w/ABS and w/out ABS quite minimal.

Headlight washers were standard in 86, optional in 87 and 88, and I want to say a no cost delete for 89 and up but I may be wrong about the 89+ cars.
Ahmet