porschehead

I have an Escort Endurance car and I know about the Turbo Cup cars,
both built for racing. But I have on occasion heard people refer to
a Club Sport. Was that a special street version of a Cup Car.

Or are Escort / Turbo cup cars the same as a Club Sport????

Can someone clear this up?

Porscheheads Escort car at 1986 Mosport 24 hour event with Al Holbert
at the wheel.

Silver Bean

My understanding is that there is no such thing as a 944 Turbo Club Sport. Porsche did manufacture a 968 Club Sport - basically a stripped down and lightened version of the 968 that was never sold in North America. It was priced below the cost of a normal 968 and was a last ditch effort by Porsche to raise the number of sales of the 968. There was a thread about it last year at some point.

porschehead

A Porsche Mechanic once refered to my car as a Club Sport...
I didn't know what he ment. It may be just a wrong term?

Just because a guy can turn a wrench doesn't meen they are
the athority on all Porsches....Allhough I have found many Porsche
Mechanics like to think they know it ALL!

944Fest (aka Dan P)

There definately IS a 944 turbo Club Sport. I saw one up close, it's been 15 years though. Very rare lightweight 944 turbo. The one I saw and the one I saw pics of were both white.

Fen

I haven't heard of a 944 Turbo Club Sport (but I'd really like to know the details if there was one). There was an S2 Club Sport available in mainland Europe. I don't know the spec, but it had this graphic:


The 968 ClubSport was an attempt to increase sales - not so last ditch though as it ran for most of production - and it was very well received in Euope. The spec was:

Manual unheated mirrors
Manual windows (with 944 style door trims rather than 968 style)
No air-con / automatic temp control
No rear seat
No power locking
Cable-operated hatch release with no external means of opening
No rear wiper
No engine covers under hood
17" Cup wheels painted body colour (except on black cars)
20mm lowered ride height
Lightweight carpet
GRP shell fixed bucket seats in body colour with black cloth
'ClubSport' graphic along door bottoms
No sunroof
Reduced wiring loom and smaller battery (unless a/c was added as an option)
No lid (armrest) on centre console cubby
944 style cubby under radio and digital clock (no analogue clock and outside temp readout in other words)

All interiors were black and outside they were available in GP white, Guards red, black , Speed yellow and Martitme blue (replaced by Riviera blue in '94). Everything deleted could be added as an option if required. There was also a Matter half rollcage option and M030 sport kit with cross-drilled discs as well as adjustable suspension and thicker anti-roll (sway) bars.

I have begun a programme of converting my 951 to most of this spec and have so far removed all the seats and all the elctrics from the doors / hatch area, plus associated wiring from the loom. I am trying to source lighweight carpet. I intend to used the Leda suspension kit rather than the ClubSport M030 however, as it is both cheaper and more easily adjustable.

Because of the work I'm doing to my 951 it is no longer eligible for the race class it is best suited for if I decide to compete with it in sprints locally to me in the UK - I need to add a rear seat and possibly electric windows. I would really like to know about a Turbo Club Sport then because if it can be proven to exist I can get around adding those things.

dime1622

theres no 944 club sport. the models based on this platform were:

924 (1976-85)
924
924 Martini
924 Sebring '79
924 Le Mans

924 Turbo (1979-83)
924 Turbo
924 Carrera GT
924 Carrera GTS

924S (1985-88)
924S
924S Le Mans

944 (1982-89)
944
944 Celebration

944 Turbo (1985-91)
944 Turbo
944 Turbo S
944 Turbo Cabriolet

944S & 944S2 (1986-91)
944S
944S2
944S2 Cabriolet

968 (1991-95)
968
968 Club Sport
968 Turbo S
968 Sport

Fen

That graphic is p/n 944 559 223 00 so it must be official.

I think it may have been a set of options - certainly wasn't a separate model like the 968CS was.

enthusiast

dime1622;

There was a 1991 porsche 944 S2 Club Sport brought into the US for racing but Porsche only made a few. Offically it doesn't show up in sales brochures and general production tables.

Fen

Just thought, maybe it was my sig that caused this thread - sorry if it was. I'm just trying to build one myself...

richard glickel

I don't know whether there was ever a "turbo club sport", but there absolutely is a 944 S2 club sport. Geoffrey Ring of the 930 forum drives one and I have seen his car which bears a "club sport" fender graphic.

I think that essentially, the car is a turbo without the turbocharger; but with a 3 liter engine, 208 h.p. Nice car.

Richard
'87 Carrera-3.6L wide body conversion

Rich Sandor

Putting a "club sport" sticker on a standard S2 doesn't make it a real "club sport".

I think the racing S2's that you guys are thinking about were the ESCORT CUP S2's. I don't think they were ever labeled as "club sport" from the factory. I would love for someone to prove me wrong with a sales slip or option code.

dime1622

cool, thats quite interesting...... id love to get my hands on one of those......

FSAEracer03

Rich, thank you very much for pointing this all out right now... a sticker means nothing! If there is viable proof, PLEASE prove me wrong, as I would love to hear the intricacies of these models, but I have found no evidence of these models ever made. The 968 series had some CS's made, but I can't seem to find a CS model made anywhere!

Rich, on a side note... how is the 1:18 model petition going so far? I'm anxious to get one as soon as they're available and signed long ago to try to get them!

Rich Sandor

Also, if the "Club Sport" sticker has a 944.x.x.x part number, that doesn't mean it came on a 944 as opposed to a 968. The 968 aero mirror bases have 944 part numbers as do the 968 door handles. yet we all know that no 944 came from the factory with these 968 parts.

but I digress.

Kevin, PMA (Minichamps.de) is shipping it's 1:18 scale 924S right now, should be available soon. I think they are getting the tooling for 944's once the 924 production run is done.

944Fest (aka Dan P)

You guys may doubt me because it may not be printed anywhere, but the guy who bought one knows his porsches, drove on track, and bought this 944 turbo CS because of it's rarity. If there was some dire need to furnish proof, I'd look him up at his retirement location and interview him or get pics of his FACTORY 944 Turbo Club Sport. He was able to get this rare model because he was a VERY regular customer, buying a new Porsche every year.