1st944

Hello

Just bought this car in october, but i just crashed my main transportation, so i am forced to sell. Let me tell you a little about the car. Although it does have 151k, the car still runs and drives like new. The interior is in excellent condition with the exception of the dash, which has several cracks; this is a common problem among 944's. This is an easy $80 fix. The leather seats are in great condition, with no tears or cracks like many other 944 turbos. The only problem with the seat is that the driver side leaver is cracked but again this is a $5 fix. The shift boot is also ripped. The exterior of the car is not in the best condition. To be perfect the car could really use a repaint. The paint does shine but the hood has some blemishes (all paint not body), and the clear coat is bubbled on a portion of the front passenger fender. The car also has upgraded wheels. All of the power items on the car work excellent. The power windows, sunroof, driver's seat all work great. The engine is in perfect working order. The car is extremely fast and drives straight as an arrow. The tires do need to be replaced. Recently the entire fuel system has been cleaned. This included: replacing the fuel pump, rebuilding the injectors, draining the tank and cleaning it, replacing the fuel filter, cleaning the fuel rail, pressure regulator. The odometer gear has recently been replaced,
and was done immediately to keep accurate mileage, unlike many other 944's, which are driven for thousands of miles without gear being replaced. With only a very few inexpensive fixes, this could easily be one very nice 944 turbo. There are many pictures, which I tried to illustrate all of the cars characteristics, positive and negative. I have shown all body imperfections. The car has all options:

http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/engine2.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/engine3.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior1.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior2.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior3.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior4.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior5.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior6.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior7.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior8.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior9.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior10.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior11.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior12.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior13.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/exterior14.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/PICT0015.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/PICT0016.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/PICT0020.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior2.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior3.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior4.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior6.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior7.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior8.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...einterior9.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsch...interior11.jpg
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/PICT0024.jpg

here are 2 movies of the car, you can see how it runs.

http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/starting.MOV
http://www.theoutergarage.com/porsche/PICT0002.MOV

I am looking to get $5000 obo. Any inquires please email me ar boostedgti@hotmail.com

1st944

here is the carfax on it:

http://www.carfax.com/cfm/FSBO.cfm?r...FX000005506806

TonyG

About your "evaluation of the car"...

I would have to disagree with you assesment of the interior (as well as the exterior). It is not excellent with the exception of the dash.

The seats are in "fair condition" at best.
The steering wheel is in "fair to poor condition"
The shifter boot/**** is in "poor condition"
The dash is "trashed"
The center console lid is in "poor condition"

I'm sure seeing the car in person would tell more...

Over all the interior appears to be in "poor condition". Far from excellent with the exception of the dash. If you could make that interior in excellent condition with $85 you'd be a fool not to do so.

The body is pretty worked as well as is the paint. What happened to the door, the nose panel, and who in the hell ran though the paint with a buffer? Fire that guy!

The rims are not the correct offset for the car (did you not notice that they looked a little odd? That they come nowhere near close to filling up the fenders...?). Where did you get those rims? From a 968?

Also.... what's up with the adhesive/vinyl protection stickers? Why are they black? Kind of scary.

Looks like the front spoiler is also missing.

Is the car an LSD car?


You are going to need to drop the price or fix some of the stuff. And like I said... if you could make the interior excellent for $85 then you'd be a fool not to do so as it would be much easier to sell the car with the interior cleaned up.

Good luck,

TonyG

1st944

Tony

I appreciate your complete bashing of the car. Really I do becase I came here to offer it to a porsche enthusiast, but now no one will give it a second look. Maybe if you were closer then california, you could come by and make a true assessment of the car, rather then from the pictures. The pictures are there to peak interest, then someone comes and looks at the car. Leave it to them to decide its condition, not you, who is 3000 miles away. Your car is very nice by the way, but after investing 25k it should be perfect. I am only asking 5k, which is reasonable, the car needs a little tlc. This is not a unreasonable amount after seeing what they sell for on cars.com. I would rather an enthusiast own it, which is why I offered it here. For future reference, you should only be opinoniated on things that pertain to you. A car that is as far as possible from you, in which you have no desire to purchase, does not meet this criteria. All the things you mention, are things that I stated were bad, but you did it in a much more derogatory tone.

NZ951

Out of curiosity, what have you done to it that makes it extremely fast?

jcb928

I would say on Ebay that car would sell for $3000-$3500, You could probably get $4500 but it will take you a couple of months.

My 2 cents....

tifosiman

A few questions:

1. Where is the car located?
2. Tony's right, those wheels are the wrong offset (and obviously don't have the spacers on them to correct that). Do you still have the original fuchs or phonedials?
3. Can you tell us when the timing belt was last serviced/retensioned?
4. When was the clutch replaced, or is it original?
5. Any leaks from the motor?
6. Do you have any records from the previous owner?

I realize that you aren't asking a lot for the car, just trying to clarify the above items as they are helpful to a prospective buyer to make a good decision.

Sorry that you have to sell!

turbo944

I'll have to say I disagree with Tony about the seats appearing to be in poor condition, I think they just look seriously dirty. As does the carpet and I don't know what you've gotten on the center console. Honestly, if you want to sell the car, you might spend a little money and get some carpet cleaner, leather cleaner, and conditioner and spend a good afternoon on that interior and take new pictures again. A cleaned interior shows much more love and care for a car and makes it easier to sell. When I was into Mustangs, I met up with a guy who had a black one for sale. I wanted to puke. The exterior was filthy and the interior had trash all over and was very dirty. I didn't even spend 5 minutes with him. It can really turn prospective buyers off as they don't think you care for the car enough to clean it up and have it presentable to them, this is a Porsche and not a Mustang, so expectations are usually higher. If those stains and dirt don't come out, then you're talking about $$$ for replacement of carpet and recovering of the seats. 1st impressions are everything when it comes to meeting people and selling cars. If it doesn't impress people right off who know a lot about them, it's not going to seal a deal.

As for the dash, there are only 2 real fixes I know of and the only inexpensive one I know of is a dash cover, which would be around $80. Doesn't fix the dash, just hides the damage. A new dash is $$$$. If you know of a fix that we don't, again, you'd be crazy not to as many of us here know what a new dash will cost.

I had wheels with the wrong offset when I bought my car and had to deal with that. You have 2 choices with that, either buying spacers and longer studs and installing them, which can run about $300 or so, or you have to change the suspension to late offset which can be easily $1500 for parts and labor. If you have the original wheels, it's best to probably put them back on the car and then let your buyer decide if he wants to purchase the newer wheels or not. If not, pop 'em up on Ebay and you can recover a bit more money there perhaps on your total sale.

I personally don't think it's quite as bad as Tony is making out if it was cleaned up, however you are posting on a board of enthusiasts, people who notice when screws are missing from an interior picture at times. The people here know what things cost to fix, so unless you can detail what those fixes actually are for that price, you don't fool much of anyone here except for perhaps some newbies.

If I were you, I'd take some time, really clean up and make the car look nice, take new pics and re-word your ad some based upon the questions that have been posted here and so forth. Let this thread go and just start a new one. Probably over in the 944 list where more people will probably see it.

Do be aware that if some of those questions that tifosiman has asked either can't be answered or have answers like 30k miles ago on the belts, that you will get hit with either having to lower your price by an amount similar to the cost of doing that maintenance or by at least some by a person who wants to offset that cost some in the purchase of the car. It's not an expense you can really add onto the top of your price if you did it, it's something the car needs to have to run and those are expensive jobs to do if the car may needs it very soon.

Not trying to be negative, but just wanting you to realize your audience here and to make the best impression that you can as many of us (including potential buyers) might not be close by. Maybe not as far away as Tony, but even 1000 miles makes it impractical for someone who might want it to view the car in person.

You might also even find out if there are any Rennlisters close by who are on this list that can view your car, help you out with some of these little details and can provide an objective viewpoint having seen the car in person to properly help you get some good and bad point feedback on the car for potential buyers here.

Good luck with your sale and finding a new car!

Tom M'Guinn

Hmmm... the seats look just like my car. I thought they were ok. Tough crowd. Am I missing something or is there no way to tell where this car is located? If it had LSD and was nearby, it'd be worth a look-see.

TonyG

1st944

I call 'em as I see 'em.


If someone says "excellent" then I consider it to be very very close to like new condition.

If someone says "good" condition, then there will some minor signs of wear, nothing broken, nothing torn, nothing scratched, but overall well taken car of.

"Poor" condition means that things need to be fixed. Torn, missing items, multiple signs of excessive wear, etc...


Pictures hide quite a bit of what, when seen in person, will almost always look worse.

Here's your quote: "The interior is in excellent condition with the exception of the dash..."

Now here's what the pictures show:






And those things circled are just the obvious things from the pictures.

Now don't think I'm here to bash your car. I'm not. Just don't call something excellent, when it's clearly not.

It's worth what it's worth, and at your asking price you'll might find a buyer.


TonyG

tuna2

Just a quick note:

If you are wondering about the level of criticism for the car, it is due in part to the understanding that these cars in particular require steadfast maintenance. People are going to draw a correlation between the appearance of the car and the mechanical wellbeing of it. First impressions go a long way. I purchased my 951 with several paint imperfections knowing that they were not due to improper care, but if I sat in that car and looked at the torn shift boot and the dirty carpet, I would walk away. Not because these are hard things to fix, but because they are easy and you did not fix them. I would conclude, rightfully or wrong, that you maintained the engine the same way, not very well.

This post is only intended to clarify the reaction you may get from this forum, and buyers.

turbo951fan

I have to agree with TonyG. How can you say that cracks in the dahs are a $80 fix? Are you talking dashcap here? I had one on mine, forget it, that looks horrible. I ended up buying a new dash, lets say $700 fix plus labor to install it.

Abby Normal

Turd.

TonyG

I'd take a car that had a excellent condition interior and bad paint all day over a car that had excellent paint and a bad interior.

Paint is much easier and less expensive to fix.

TonyG

josephsc

I'm sorry, but your sales pitch needs heck of a lot of work -- which is why you're getting criticized -- it's not because of the car. Realize your audience: almost every single one of us already owns a 944 variant (so we're knowledgable) and that we're enthusiasts (so we're fanatical). So don't give us the used car saleman pitch ("The paint does shine", "upgraded wheels," extremely fast," "all options"...) because we'll see straight through it. Just tell us the truth.

IMHO, you should just say, it's a very cheap car, interior and exterior are not perfect but needs some work, these are the things it has (wheels, LSD, factory option code, etc???), this is the recent history of the car (fuel system, odometer), this is what may need to get done (cosmetic work, t-belt, other?), and this is why I'm selling it after only three months (the real reason: maybe you got it cheap hoping to fix it up, but don't know the car well enough). You got a lot of pictures, but you don't present enough info (like where the heck is the car?)

At $5K, someone on Rennlist will be interested, but save the used car saleman pitch for eBay or car.com.