951 vs S4
 

I need some input , nearby there is a used S4 with very low miles. I love my 951 but maintenance and repair has become a burden after 3 blown heads and a broken ring in less than one year. I am looking for a daily driver that can give me similar power to my 951. Does anybody own a S4 and can tell me the pro's and con's of the Audi compared to the 951.

In advance thanks for your help.

Luis

lart951

I've owned a coupld of 928's (1986.5 & 91). Both were great cars. The engines are solid, but as with the 951's require the belt/water pump gig to be done at regular intervals which ain't cheap.

Also, the a/c system is problematic (at least both of mine were).

Other than that, they proved to be very reliable (both were sticks). I've heard of problems with the automatics though. Further, the automatics take out what feels like 50RWHP out of the performance.

If you think parts for the 951 are expensive... wait until you buy them for a 928 :-0

TonyG

I don't own an s4 but I do know
you will be paying more for a slower car

and your mechanic sounds like a "Timmy"

but then again American's always do pay more for convienience
4 doors and trunk would be nice!

Oh yeah and to find out what you really subconciously want,
draw a line down the middle of a page and write s4 on one side and 951 on the other.
then get really really drunk and choose.
when you wake up you will know.

Tony and all,

He's talking about an Audi S4...not Porsche. ;)

all hearsay but I have heard that they cannot be overboosted much and that trannies will break quite often when overboosted. Audi apparently did their homework and put in just a strong enough box for stock power. Also, the dealers are strict about any mods...voids any warrenty....

2+2


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:-)

Too bad...

TonyG

Two of my friends have Audis, TT and S4. They both say that the car is trouble free except for electrical issues. My friend with the tt had the brain box changed twice. Reno

Yeah S4 = 928
LOL thats what I was thinking too :D

Matt, the guy I bought my 951 from sold it to me because he had bought an S4. He said that low down, the S4 was faster, but the 951 would smack it pretty hard once the boost came on.

Regards,

Like most turbo cars, an Audi S4 can be modded into quite the beast. But just like the 951, it can get expensive if you want that power to be reliable.

I've got a 2000 Audi S4 with a chip and a tiptronic (auto transmission). It has 307hp and 366ft lbs of torque.

You can't compare the two - I mean one is a 4 door sedan and one is a 2 dorr sports car - but as far as a daily driver in good weather and bad - I'd take the S4 in a heartbeat. I mean AWD, automatic, 4 doors, and comfort and nice quality build to boot!!!

As far as power - down low it feels like more power probably because of the nice torque - but will probably be a close one all the way to 170mph - but my 951 with short gears only goes to about 154mph anyways - so i guess my S4 would kick my 951 in the butt and my 951 has about the same hp maybe? FWIW, my 951 although not tune properly yet is putting 278hp at the wheels at 14lbs on a Mustang dyno which i am hoping for 300+ hp at 18lbs.

The build quaility of the S4 is fantastic and it has all the factory options, nav, etc - plus i don't have that nasty oil smell that is common with all 951's - and I keep very good care of my 951 and i've owned my 951 since new (1987). http://www.p-caronline.com/directory/3_turbos

Only two bad things I can say about the S4 is;

1) Automatics are not fun on the track - but i did not buy it for that - i bought it as a daily driver with all the fix'ins - you could always buy a 6 speed though.

2) Turbos might give you trouble after you chip it, and you have to replace them in pairs - mine went out at 38,000 miles - the repair bill covered under warranty was aprroximately $10,000 - had a bad radiator in there also in that bill, so mybe the turbos cost $9,000.00?

To me, my 951 is, well a fun toy and a money pit that is only driven on nice days and at the track.

Hope this helps - as far as maintenance, the S4 is a dream compared to my 951 - and no i don't work on my cars anymore - I simply bring the S4 into my dealer and my 951 into my mechanic that has been working on my car since new at his own shop. I'm too old for that crap now:rolleyes:

I was talking about the audi!
never seen a 4 dr 928!

s4's are great cars my friend has a 2000 model....with intake,exhaust,chip,and boost controller at 1 bar.He ran a 12.9 @112 in the 1/4..!!! His car is nice and very quick too my knowledge i havent hered of him complaining of anything...but, then again he might just not be saying anything because he doesnt want too.Who knows........oh fyi his car pulls me.....even on the freeway ....not by much until around 140...after that i seem to catch back up with him.his car is probably around 350 rwhp.......if its true with the turbos ouch..i mean yeah it was under warrenty but, imagine if you had to pay 10,000.00 out of your own pocket you could build your dream 951 engine for that....so i guess the quesiton is how long it is stil under warrenty.......cause i think the maintance on some of these new cars is just as bad as the 951 is.I realy wish i could figure out why my websitre isint accepting my video's cause of would love to post the video of his car and us racing.

500hp aftermarket turbo kit for the s4 cost like 6k iirc, including new intercoolers etc. so why bother replacing the stock ones anyway? broken parts are just an excuse to upgrade

The S4 seems to possess chick magnet so maybe that's a good reason.

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